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Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 17, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Except, Republicans are worse than Democrats.  They want to restrict women's reproductive rights, they want to require intelligent design be taught in schools, they want to allow companies to discriminate against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.  They want to be able to deny marriage to same sex couples.  They want to eliminate food stamps, reduce medicare and social security.  They want to privatize the school system so religious parents can spend taxpayer dollars on religious schools and so that our neediest students aren't able to get an education and so that our public schools fail due to underfunding.  They want to treat corporations as people, and people as anything but people.  I'm so sick of people saying the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.  It's like saying the common cold is as bad as cancer.

That is all true (except I think Democrats love big business as much as Republicans). A big concern for me though is Bush's neo-cons are fleeing to Hilary and she is proud to be advised by Henry Kissinger - considered a war criminal by some (e.g. he turned a blind eye to Pakistan committing genocide in Bangladesh). On social issues the parties are certainly different but Hilary is a Republican on war and foreign policy.

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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 18, 2016 at 3:04 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:
(July 17, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Except, Republicans are worse than Democrats.  They want to restrict women's reproductive rights, they want to require intelligent design be taught in schools, they want to allow companies to discriminate against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.  They want to be able to deny marriage to same sex couples.  They want to eliminate food stamps, reduce medicare and social security.  They want to privatize the school system so religious parents can spend taxpayer dollars on religious schools and so that our neediest students aren't able to get an education and so that our public schools fail due to underfunding.  They want to treat corporations as people, and people as anything but people.  I'm so sick of people saying the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.  It's like saying the common cold is as bad as cancer.

That is all true (except I think Democrats love big business as much as Republicans). A big concern for me though is Bush's neo-cons are fleeing to Hilary and she is proud to be advised by Henry Kissinger - considered a war criminal by some (e.g. he turned a blind eye to Pakistan committing genocide in Bangladesh). On social issues the parties are certainly different but Hilary is a Republican on war and foreign policy.

Considering if she wins... it's a loss for us more people will be sent back to the middle east then we will get rid of yet another dictator all she would do 
is start a perpetual war and keep us in war and on the other hand she doesn't care about our working class what so ever considering she tried to get NAFTA
and the TPP passed.
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 17, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Except, Republicans are worse than Democrats.  They want to restrict women's reproductive rights, they want to require intelligent design be taught in schools, they want to allow companies to discriminate against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.  They want to be able to deny marriage to same sex couples.  They want to eliminate food stamps, reduce medicare and social security.  They want to privatize the school system so religious parents can spend taxpayer dollars on religious schools and so that our neediest students aren't able to get an education and so that our public schools fail due to underfunding.  They want to treat corporations as people, and people as anything but people.  I'm so sick of people saying the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.  It's like saying the common cold is as bad as cancer.

Meh, I mean you sort of took disparate views of a bunch different people and combined them into one boogeyman. I think you would benifit from balancing out where you get your news. Some of those positions, say eliminating food stamps come from fake news sources. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...inating-f/ I think you've created a bit of a straw-boogeyman, which of course Democrats use to try to show that there is this difference between them. Though some of what you said is definitely true the reality is that most of those are little held positions, or you are missing some major nuance in what is being said by Republicans. Or if you take the intelligent design thing, neither of the last two Republican presidential candidate, nor does Donald Trump believe that. Some Republicans in the midwest do. So at a national level, it's just not true. Yet you say They, as though it encompasses the whole group.

It's fine to be left wing, I tend that way myself on many things. But knowing your enemy, you should know what he's saying about himself, not just what other people say about him.
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 17, 2016 at 10:48 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Except, Republicans are worse than Democrats.  They want to restrict women's reproductive rights, they want to require intelligent design be taught in schools, they want to allow companies to discriminate against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.  They want to be able to deny marriage to same sex couples.  They want to eliminate food stamps, reduce medicare and social security.  They want to privatize the school system so religious parents can spend taxpayer dollars on religious schools and so that our neediest students aren't able to get an education and so that our public schools fail due to underfunding.  They want to treat corporations as people, and people as anything but people.  I'm so sick of people saying the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.  It's like saying the common cold is as bad as cancer.

On social issues, liberals tend to be better than conservatives. But if the democrats want to win on these issues, they need to try harder. If Hillary wants the liberal vote, she'd best start pushing harder for liberal values. In a properly working society, people should vote on who they like more, and if they like the green party more, then they should vote for those people. And the more people vote for those candidates, the better those candidates will do in the future. We have more than two options, and we should take advantage of that.
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#25
RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
I know the 3rd party people are still far behind but it makes me happy to see stuff like this. It means we are moving in the right direction. I personally want Johnson and will vote for him but I wouldn't be too upset if Stein won. The problem is we need more people to know about them. This increase is proof that it is getting people's attention, may not be enough but it is gaining. Just keep spreading the word and maybe the Americans with common sense and some self worth won't hafta cry in the corner about Trump or Clinton getting elected.
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: I know the 3rd party people are still far behind but it makes me happy to see stuff like this. It means we are moving in the right direction. I personally want Johnson and will vote for him but I wouldn't be too upset if Stein won. The problem is we need more people to know about them. This increase is proof that it is getting people's attention, may not be enough but it is gaining. Just keep spreading the word and maybe the Americans with common sense and some self worth won't hafta cry in the corner about Trump or Clinton getting elected.

I Feel the Johnson myself. I also wish well for Jill Stein.

 I just can't vote for Hillary. I'm a foreign policy voter and she has the worst record on foreign policy. Obama's administration has been so much better on foreign policy without her as secretary of state. Can't vote for Trump either. Most people probably oppose him for domestic or emotional reasons, but for me he openly calls China our enemy, often and loudly. Hillary ironically is then critical of him for not also calling Russia our enemy. It's like they want us to antagonize every other powerful country. What a fucked up duo. At least to Trump's credit he would withdraw from the middle east, where Clinton wants to stay there until the end of time. At the same time while withdrawing from the middle east, he wants to start trade wars with Mexico, one of our closest allies and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Mexican drug wars leak over the border more with Trump at the helm as they cartels prove they will fight to keep the drugs flowing. I don't want the US military in Mexico. Both of them fail on foreign policy hard.

What Clinton (and Minimalist) have failed at doing is making me so terrified of Trump. People, Trump most of all, forget that the president is not a dictator. Maybe he is a racist, who knows? It's been a strategy of the left to call everything that moves and isn't a Democrat a racist for so long that it's diluted the meaning for me. It's like the boy who cried racist. Eventually you just ignore him.
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#27
RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
Jill has asked the Democrats in the past to change the voting system to make it fairer, I believe in her home state of Massachusetts, which would be an easy thing to do yet the refused. She stated on numerous occasions 'ranked choice voting' is her preferred system.

Trouble is, the Democrats know, a lit of the time people only vote Democrat out of fear, she concluded. The Democrats know they'd die if the voting system changed. And so the Democrats continue their slow and steady march further and further rightwards. The mainstream of the Conservative party in the UK is about as far-right as the Democrats by the looks of things. This is the UKs main right wing party. Isn't that amazing?

How can Hilary Clinton be in the same party as Keith Ellison? It boggles the mind. The voting system keep people with such drastically different views of the would in the same party. The Republican and Democrat parties would ideally be several smaller parties but the winners take all system is undemocratic.

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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
(July 18, 2016 at 2:12 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What Clinton (and Minimalist) have failed at doing is making me so terrified of Trump. People, Trump most of all, forget that the president is not a dictator.

Two problems spring to mind:

1. The vacant SCOTUS seat. I don't want Trump nominating the next for-life justice. Given the age/health of at least one other (Ginsburg), there's a non-zero chance he could have two picks during his presidency.

2. While you're right in that the President is not a dictator, and checks and balances still exist, I fear that the midterm elections could give him a lot more power as the batshit crazy outsider strategy suddenly becomes a proven winner with people who, frankly, have no problem watching the world burn.

So, it's not that Trump, himself, is so incredibly dangerous (although I shudder to think of him in the Situation Room under any circumstances), it's that a Trump victory may be a legitimate harbinger for darker times, where we continue to slide politically and culturally, and rot within.
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
I think Sanders has been right on about every prediction with regards to actions he should take during these elections. I think he's weighed in on whether the green party has a chance to beat Trump--and to be honest, I think he's found it does not. Why else would he endorse Clinton? I don't think there's time to mobilize a third party candidate, and the American people are so stigmatized over the subject (Republicans so afraid Clinton will choose the Supreme Court Justices and vice versa) that people are going to vote mainstream party affiliates no matter what. Even all those "good Christians" are going to vote in a dictator Trump over Clinton. Hell I'm a democrat and I almost feel like I should self flagellate for even considering voting for Clinton--but the alternative in my eyes, is goddamned world war3 (or perhaps a civil war) and the end of democracy as we know it. That's why I don't think the green party has a chance. No time, stakes too high.

EDIT: Unless this shitstorm hits head on fast enough, that is! I spent the better half of an afternoon (ok ok my phone's dead give me a brbeak) looking into the citations listed on this article. This shit is dark, and deep. The more I learn the deeper it goes, the more believable such an unbelievable accusation has become.. And for those of you who can't fathom organized pedophilia-- wake the fuck up! Wasn't the catholic church enough of an eye opener???

Two words: Jeffrey Epstein
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RE: Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton
Nate Silver has been spot on for ages. Trump and Sanders have both burst out of the box,but now that we have months of polls and hard figures for the candidates, ill continue to trust him. He has been spot on about the last 3 pres elections and all the midterms in between.

No one coulda predicted Trump. Not even Trump. His numbers come from the twilight zone. Or from the parts that people normally hide about themselves. You know, the racist bigoted unabashedly malignant and ant-intellectual parts that people normally hide in polite society.
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