Green Party donations up ~1000% after Sanders endorsed Clinton

[dyresand]

I think Sanders has been right on about every prediction with regards to actions he should take during these elections. I think he's weighed in on whether the green party has a chance to beat Trump--and to be honest, I think he's found it does not. Why else would he endorse Clinton? I don't think there's time to mobilize a third party candidate, and the American people are so stigmatized over the subject (Republicans so afraid Clinton will choose the Supreme Court Justices and vice versa) that people are going to vote mainstream party affiliates no matter what. Even all those "good Christians" are going to vote in a dictator Trump over Clinton. Hell I'm a democrat and I almost feel like I should self flagellate for even considering voting for Clinton--but the alternative in my eyes, is goddamned world war3 (or perhaps a civil war) and the end of democracy as we know it. That's why I don't think the green party has a chance. No time, stakes too high.

EDIT: Unless this shitstorm hits head on fast enough, that is! I spent the better half of an afternoon (ok ok my phone's dead give me a brbeak) looking into the citations listed on this article. This shit is dark, and deep. The more I learn the deeper it goes, the more believable such an unbelievable accusation has become.. And for those of you who can't fathom organized pedophilia-- wake the fuck up! Wasn't the catholic church enough of an eye opener???

Two words: Jeffrey Epstein
"The billionaire convicted pedophile who could bring down donald trump and hillary clinton.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...inton.html

The problem is at this point Millennials and other people plainly do not like or give two shits or two fucks about HRC 
and would rather Trump win at this point there is no amount of pandering or sweet talking she can do to win anyone.
That being said no trusts her no one really likes her due to the FBI investigation most of the people want her locked up in jail.
She cannot tell the truth and she cannot keep a promise either she is evil and worse of she is the worse than trump than in key
areas. Most people at this point are pretty much tired of the current system we live in she would do nothing to fix it the only reason
why is pushing to be progressive now is that she knows Bernie knows Jill knows she needs our vote and she not going to keep that promise
so what ever she says now is purely her talking out of her ass. And i am so angry Obama is talking and pushing for a public option now 
instead of getting fucking done in the first place Obama care has been a failure... it did more harm than it did good i mean speaking of which
it's ridiculously expensive and sub par compared to private insurance. I say this with good intentions i would rather have the green party take the win
than let democrats pretty much get a neocon in office which isn't really a democrat to begin with she falls more in line with conservative republicans
than a democrat. Party unity my fucking ass....

[Cecelia]

Meh, I mean you sort of took disparate views of a bunch different people and combined them into one boogeyman. I think you would benifit from balancing out where you get your news. Some of those positions, say eliminating food stamps come from fake news sources. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...inating-f/ I think you've created a bit of a straw-boogeyman, which of course Democrats use to try to show that there is this difference between them. Though some of what you said is definitely true the reality is that most of those are little held positions, or you are missing some major nuance in what is being said by Republicans. Or if you take the intelligent design thing, neither of the last two Republican presidential candidate, nor does Donald Trump believe that. Some Republicans in the midwest do. So at a national level, it's just not true. Yet you say They, as though it encompasses the whole group.

It's fine to be left wing, I tend that way myself on many things. But knowing your enemy, you should know what he's saying about himself, not just what other people say about him.

Republicans generally side on the side of limiting welfare (except for corporate welfare, which they're fine with because businesses are the "job creators" or so they say). 

There's a whole slew of problems with Donald Trump.  He may not support intelligent design being taught in schools himself, but he would certainly appoint judges that support intelligent design being taught.  Not to mention judges who don't think that same sex couples have a right to get married.  He's bounced back and forth on that issue, that nobody can really tell what he really thinks.  Republicans are also more likely to be able to push their agendas through congress and the senate with Trump as President.  

Women's Reproductive Rights  is one issue most Republicans do agree on.  Including Trump (who stated, but later took back, that women who abort should be punished.  Why did he say it in the first place if he didn't believe it?  Is he that disingenuous that he'd try to gain support by saying something he doesn't believe but knows could alienate women voters?).  I mean this is going by what Trump is saying.  Not what other people have said himself.  He's labeled himself as clearly anti-choice. 

He's also clearly pro-voucher.  Which is quite frightening considering that he ran Trump University--which was a massive failure, and a quick attempt to cash in on people wanting to earn an education.  It's absolutely frightening to think that he'd open elementary, middle, and high schools to such opportunities for people like himself.  Not to mention taking money away from our public schools, who unlike private schools can't turn away students.  To send to his big buddies who are salivating at the idea of duping parents just like he duped college students at Trump University.  To me that is absolutely unacceptable.  'Those high schools won't survive, just like Trump University didn't'.  Of course for those students who spend any amount of time there, will have wasted their time and money, not to mention resources, and won't be able to get any of that time back.  

It's also hard to tell where he stands on many issues, because he changes them rapidly.  Most politicians do flip and flop, but none in such rapid succession as Donald Trump does.  I mean Hillary has certainly flipped and flopped on issues.  So has Bernie Sanders, and pretty much everyone.  Changing their minds is a good idea, but Trump changes his mind on a whim.  But for the issues that I do know where he stands, (from his own mouth),

On social issues, liberals tend to be better than conservatives. But if the democrats want to win on these issues, they need to try harder. If Hillary wants the liberal vote, she'd best start pushing harder for liberal values. In a properly working society, people should vote on who they like more, and if they like the green party more, then they should vote for those people. And the more people vote for those candidates, the better those candidates will do in the future. We have more than two options, and we should take advantage of that.

The Green Party is still a ways off from being a viable political party.  We have two viable options at this point, like it or not.  Jill Stein won't even get to make it to the debates because rules are in place to ensure they don't.  Making the Green Party more viable is all well and good, but not at the expense of making everything else far worse.  The Green Party would be better off making roads in the house of representatives.  Get into local politics, and start making changes at the state level.  I know we've got a generation of people used to instant gratification.  But this kind of progress takes time.  Also I'd say Hillary has conceded quite a few platform points to more liberal points of view.  For example Hillary has pledged to put her weight behind an amendment ending Citizen's United.  That would be ABSOLUTELY huge.  Unfortunately that's a change that will likely have to happen in the court rather than by amendment.

[CapnAwesome]

What Clinton (and Minimalist) have failed at doing is making me so terrified of Trump. People, Trump most of all, forget that the president is not a dictator.

Two problems spring to mind:

1. The vacant SCOTUS seat.  I don't want Trump nominating the next for-life justice.  Given the age/health of at least one other (Ginsburg), there's a non-zero chance he could have two picks during his presidency.

2. While you're right in that the President is not a dictator, and checks and balances still exist, I fear that the midterm elections could give him a lot more power as the batshit crazy outsider strategy suddenly becomes a proven winner with people who, frankly, have no problem watching the world burn.

So, it's not that Trump, himself, is so incredibly dangerous (although I shudder to think of him in the Situation Room under any circumstances), it's that a Trump victory may be a legitimate harbinger for darker times, where we continue to slide politically and culturally, and rot within.

I don't think a conservative supreme court justice is scarier then never ending war in the middle east, which Hillary has a decades long record of supporting. Also you can't just say things like 'batshit crazy' or 'no problem with watching the world burn' I need to be convinced that's the truth and I'm not.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't think a conservative supreme court justice is scarier then never ending war in the middle east [...]

I do. Cold as it might sound, the events in the Middle East do not affect me so directly as do shitty decisions handed down by the highest court in the land.

[ReptilianPeon]

I don't think a conservative supreme court justice is scarier then never ending war in the middle east [...]

I do. Cold as it might sound, the events in the Middle East do not affect me so directly as do shitty decisions handed down by the highest court in the land.

But it does affect allies of the United States in Europe. There isn't the will or the money in Europe to fight more pointless wars. The United States will feel increasingly alone in the wars it wages. I don't think any Western European country will be prepared to put ground troops in Syria. I believe Hilary will struggle to find allied countries willing to expand the war in Syria - as she has said she wants to do. And that will look really bad for her.

The more refugees come the more people turn to Fascism. That's bad for all of us. I am very concerned about th rise of Fascism in Europe. Point is, you're right, the wars in Middle East don't affect the United States and the United States is unwilling to clean up the mess it makes by taking in a reasonable amount of refugees so Europe is left to pick up the pieces as refugees can't exactly cross the Atlantic Ocean.

If any country needs to be invaded it's Saudi. But that won't happen. It's very sad, actually, that the United States allows Saudi to create enemies for itself.

[Chad32]

The Green Party is still a ways off from being a viable political party.  We have two viable options at this point, like it or not.  Jill Stein won't even get to make it to the debates because rules are in place to ensure they don't.  Making the Green Party more viable is all well and good, but not at the expense of making everything else far worse.  The Green Party would be better off making roads in the house of representatives.  Get into local politics, and start making changes at the state level.  I know we've got a generation of people used to instant gratification.  But this kind of progress takes time.  Also I'd say Hillary has conceded quite a few platform points to more liberal points of view.  For example Hillary has pledged to put her weight behind an amendment ending Citizen's United.  That would be ABSOLUTELY huge.  Unfortunately that's a change that will likely have to happen in the court rather than by amendment.

Well the sooner we get them in, the sooner this country can be brought to sanity. The dems suck. The repubs suck harder. something has to give.

[CapnAwesome]

I do. Cold as it might sound, the events in the Middle East do not affect me so directly as do shitty decisions handed down by the highest court in the land.

But it does affect allies of the United States in Europe. There isn't the will or the money in Europe to fight more pointless wars. The United States will feel increasingly alone in the wars it wages. I don't think any Western European country will be prepared to put ground troops in Syria. I believe Hilary will struggle to find allied countries willing to expand the war in Syria - as she has said she wants to do. And that will look really bad for her.

The more refugees come the more people turn to Fascism. That's bad for all of us. I am very concerned about th rise of Fascism in Europe. Point is, you're right, the wars in Middle East don't affect the United States and the United States is unwilling to clean up the mess it makes by taking in a reasonable amount of refugees so Europe is left to pick up the pieces as refugees can't exactly cross the Atlantic Ocean.

If any country needs to be invaded it's Saudi. But that won't happen. It's very sad, actually, that the United States allows Saudi to create enemies for itself.

The Clinton foundation took what, 25 million dollars from the Saudi Arabian government? Somehow I don't think she's going to do anything at all about them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But it does affect allies of the United States in Europe. There isn't the will or the money in Europe to fight more pointless wars. The United States will feel increasingly alone in the wars it wages.

And good for y'all. I sure wish the US government had listened to foreign naysayers concerning the illegal Iraqi invasion. If her or any other leader wishes to go to war for this or that reason which is found spurious by most right-thinking people, they should be given pause by a lack of support.

I don't think any Western European country will be prepared to put ground troops in Syria. I believe Hilary will struggle to find allied countries willing to expand the war in Syria - as she has said she wants to do. And that will look really bad for her.

Worry not. Disregarding foreign sentiment. After running the two longest wars in Americanl history concurrently, there is no political will at home for another large deployment of ground forces. Barring an earth-shaking terror attack here on American soil, I don't think that will change. The American public is sick of these wars too, with a few exceptions.

The more refugees come the more people turn to Fascism. That's bad for all of us. I am very concerned about th rise of Fascism in Europe. Point is, you're right, the wars in Middle East don't affect the United States and the United States is unwilling to clean up the mess it makes by taking in a reasonable amount of refugees so Europe is left to pick up the pieces as refugees can't exactly cross the Atlantic Ocean.

Agreed, we Americans should be doing more to ameliorate the suffering we've caused, and that includes taking in more refugees -- without the stigma of being Muslim -- because we're the ones who ultimately helped make them refugees in the first place.

If any country needs to be invaded it's Saudi. But that won't happen. It's very sad, actually, that the United States allows Saudi to create enemies for itself.

Well, we don't control their foreign or domestic policy, so the word "allows" is an odd choice, to my mind.

[Mystical]

Does no one give a shit that Donald is a pedophile or am I the odd (wo)man out here?
Also I think you guys are wrong, we live in a military establishment now. Even the police are armed with tanks and military grade equipment. Millions of people are being employed by the US govt in varying departments, except the ones that matter like social security nets. I may be a tad enclosed in a bubble, due to my illness, but I'm just flabbergasted that Donald Trump is a primary candidate for the Republicans. And yes, Trump predicted Trump's rise (he copywrited the term "make America great again" in 2012 I believe). Hillary has presumed her assumption nomination since 2012 as well. People yes have been dumping all their money towards Hillary's "foundation" and paying her massive amounts of money for speeches which to my knowledge she will never release the transcripts for!

This whole election is ludicrous and people are either all in or way out. I mean so far out that yeah they'd vote trump just to see what will happen.

It's pathetic, but a vote for Trump in my eyes is a vote for internment camps, militarized police enforcement, and a useless 12 billion wall that will take more to upkeep each year than would cost to improve the infrastructure of America. Four years from now, maybe just maybe, Americans will give a shit whom they elect into office. Till then, I'm afraid (as a disabled member of the US) of losing every support system I need in order to keep living.

America, fuck yeah

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think that the green party will ever present a credible candidate so long as the defining attribute of that party is so hopelessly steeped in anti-science rhetoric.  I -long- for a socially progressive fiscally conservative party of sustainable development with a heavy focus on environmental concerns and forward thinking solutions.......but that's not the green party.

I mean, they try, they flirt with the idea, they advertise themselves as such, but then...when you read their platform in detail..you realize that they're just a new package on old and discredited povs. It's a third party that doesn't seem to serve it;s reason for existence...and isn't substantially different from the the parties we already have. Second rate left leaning dem....that's all I see - in their platform-. Makes it a tough sell even if they find a good candidate.