What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
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What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
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It's actually worse than that. They start with the roof, then swear blind that they've finished the whole house; you're just denying it.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Right. While I freely walk right through where the walls are meant to be.
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (August 16, 2016 at 7:02 pm)fdesilva Wrote: A person with their mind is able to control the hands etc. Thus from the perspective of the mind the body is in its control. So what if the Big bang and as such the universe is the creation of a Mind? Our own existence is the best evidence that this is a possibility. That really crappy attempt at an analogy is a testament to our lowly origins. Your ape brain evolved over millions of years to communicate with and be able to relate to other humans. That's why you don't see a problem personifying the Universe, like a child drawing the Sun with a face. The Universe and human body are not alike - trying to apply your feeble intuition to cosmology is naive and futile. I hope you are a child, because then this kind of thinking could be considered "cute" - otherwise you just come across as a self-centered, ignorant and not at all smart.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
 RE: What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2016 at 9:05 am by fdesilva.)
(August 17, 2016 at 4:04 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(August 17, 2016 at 2:39 am)fdesilva Wrote: Your mum created your body and at some point your mind took over its maintenance. (August 17, 2016 at 4:09 am)LastPoet Wrote: Here is the downfall of religionists, they start with a conclusion, then cherry pick only the parts of the evidence that suits their conclusion. Kinda like building a house, starting by the roof. Go back say 200 years and if you asked the question how did life start? Some one could say that's a stupid question why should life have a beginning it has always been. Same goes for the universe. However today these questions are valid and call for an answer. (August 17, 2016 at 6:45 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(August 16, 2016 at 7:02 pm)fdesilva Wrote: A person with their mind is able to control the hands etc. Thus from the perspective of the mind the body is in its control. So what if the Big bang and as such the universe is the creation of a Mind? Our own existence is the best evidence that this is a possibility. Do you think its impossible for human or some other intelligence to develop to a stage where it can create an universe?  fdesilva Wrote:A person with their mind is able to control the hands etc. Thus from the perspective of the mind the body is in its control. So what if the Big bang and as such the universe is the creation of a Mind? Our own existence is the best evidence that this is a possibility. Our existence is not evidence that this is a possibility at all.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
fdesilva Wrote:Quote:Do you think its impossible for human or some other intelligence to develop to a stage where it can create an universe? That seems like quite a non sequitur.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
RE: What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
August 17, 2016 at 9:49 am
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2016 at 10:55 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: Do you think its impossible for human or some other intelligence to develop to a stage where it can create an universe? Impossible? No. But just because something is "possible", doesn't make it a fact - infinite number of things are "possible". At the moment there is no reason to believe a human, or some other intelligence created the universe. And even if there was, there would still be a question - "Who/what created that intelligence?". However - that has nothing to do with what you posted in the OP, or with what I said in reply. You claim, that god is the mind of the Universe and while that's also technically "possible" - no one has any evidence, that the Universe has or needs a mind, or that it works in a way remotely resembling human body.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
 (August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: Your mother needed to have a Mind. The fact she uses her body is no different to a person using his hands to make a work of art. So bottom line you could not have come into existence without your mothers mind. Given that mind is an emergent property of a brain that is part of a body, you're belaboring the obvious. But you're also miscategorizing the requirement. Fact is, comatose women have been kept on life-support so that they could bring their fetus to term (http://www.medicaldaily.com/life-support...aby-389238, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/br...33381.html, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Torres). (August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: As much as you needed a mother the big bang needs one. You'll need to demonstrate that need. Simply repeating it is not demonstration. (August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: Was it mindless is the question. Does matter create the mind or mind create matter? Mind is an emergent property of a complex brain. Any more questions?  (August 16, 2016 at 7:02 pm)fdesilva Wrote: A person with their mind is able to control the hands etc. Thus from the perspective of the mind the body is in its control. So what if the Big bang and as such the universe is the creation of a Mind? Our own existence is the best evidence that this is a possibility. Yeah you right we can control the hands with our minds,but i wouldn't label that as evidence,.
If you think your afterlife will be better than your current life, you're not really living.You're just waiting to die.
RE: What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body
August 17, 2016 at 6:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 17, 2016 at 8:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: Do you think its impossible for human or some other intelligence to develop to a stage where it can create an universe? By definition..yes.....since universe includes everything, including the creating human or intelligence and the universe in which it exists to do the creating. You're asking whether or not it's possible for a human or other intelligence to create itself and everything it depends upon, the universe it's in - but you probably mean to ask something like below. It's -possible- for a human or "other intelligence" to create some part of the universe...sure...but I'd wonder what sense of the word were using when we say create, and we have no evidence that any part of our universe was created by humans or another intelligence. It's important to be specific.
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