(September 5, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Harris Wrote:

(September 4, 2016 at 7:54 am)abaris Wrote: The Palestinians are on the ass end at least since 1948. They were always intrumentalised by the Arab nations, by the West. Sometimes willing tools, sometimes just on the receiving end, sometimes perpetrators.

But I see a major mistake in criminalising Arafat back in the day. Yes, he commissioned acts of terrorism, but terrorism had a different look in the 70ies and 80ies. It wasn't geared at killing as many as possible, but to blackmail and to draw attention to the cause. It was only after Arafat's demise that Hamas was really able to take over. And that's a two sided medal in itself. The people being at the ass end of sanctions and closed borders only see Hamas providing hospitals, schools and food. They, as is natural with people in need, don't look beyond the positives. They don't care what they stand for. Only for what they provide.

Anti-Semitism has become a tool of Zionist power in the world to excuse the Zionist invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This false equation of supposedly anti-Jewish prejudice with anybody who is opposing the genocide in Palestine has been used to stifle criticism of the genocide. It has been used to accuse people who oppose the genocide of the Palestinians with racism and in fact these are the Zionists who are racists, who have Jewish superiority state that has been created in Palestine.

Ethnic cleansing??, You don't have come out with some good ones. Have you ever thought of being a Bernard Manning type comedian. Take a look at the demographics of Palestine and tell me how many Palestinians there are or have been since 1948. Furthermore, Palestine knows that Israel could destroy that land and its people whenever it wants, however, it extends the olive branch of goodwill by allowing Palestinian people into its territory and work. Would that work the other way around, I don't think so.

Perhaps we should worry about origins after we've established existence.

(September 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Harris Wrote: Anti-Semitism has become a tool of Zionist power in the world to excuse the Zionist invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This false equation of supposedly anti-Jewish prejudice with anybody who is opposing the genocide in Palestine has been used to stifle criticism of the genocide. It has been used to accuse people who oppose the genocide of the Palestinians with racism and in fact these are the Zionists who are racists, who have Jewish superiority state that has been created in Palestine.

Ethnic cleansing??, You don't have come out with some good ones. Have you ever thought of being a Bernard Manning type comedian. Take a look at the demographics of Palestine and tell me how many Palestinians there are or have been since 1948. Furthermore, Palestine knows that Israel could destroy that land and its people whenever it wants, however, it extends the olive branch of goodwill by allowing Palestinian people into its territory and work. Would that work the other way around, I don't think so.

Actually, Israel frequently denies entry to Palestinians on a regular basis.

(September 5, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Harris Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Harris, I found you an avatar.

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Thanks. that avatar had given me a smile.

Damn it Harris.

I suggest a brilliant avatar and you don't even use it?

Rude.

(September 5, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm)RobertE Wrote: Ethnic cleansing??, You don't have come out with some good ones. Have you ever thought of being a Bernard Manning type comedian. Take a look at the demographics of Palestine and tell me how many Palestinians there are or have been since 1948. Furthermore, Palestine knows that Israel could destroy that land and its people whenever it wants, however, it extends the olive branch of goodwill by allowing Palestinian people into its territory and work. Would that work the other way around, I don't think so.

Actually, Israel frequently denies entry to Palestinians on a regular basis.

Perhaps that maybe the case, however, over 50k are employed in Israel. This is better than 1.

(September 5, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Perhaps that maybe the case, however, over 50k are employed in Israel. This is better than 1.

Yeah, but a closer look reveils the - for lack of a better word - Apartheid system of these employments. Come work for us, but it's back to your townsips after you're done. Let's not move too far in the opposite direction here.

(September 5, 2016 at 4:03 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Perhaps that maybe the case, however, over 50k are employed in Israel. This is better than 1.

Yeah, but a closer look reveils the - for lack of a better word - Apartheid system of these employments. Come work for us, but it's back to your townsips after you're done. Let's not move too far in the opposite direction here.

I don't think anyone was actually moving in an opposite direction here. Perhaps I am just hoping that in the long run, one day Israel will slowly open up to the Palestinian people and embrace them, just as they would their own families. Perhaps this is the small step of many to come. No-one can predict the future I'm afraid, but if they put their heads together, and put their religious ideologies to one side, Israel/Palestine could become a haven for Jews, Muslims and Christians alike. However, all that is down to the leaders. Get two people in with that sort of thinking, they might be able to settle their differences.

(September 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm)RobertE Wrote: I don't think anyone was actually moving in an opposite direction here. Perhaps I am just hoping that in the long run, one day Israel will slowly open up to the Palestinian people and embrace them, just as they would their own families.

That's one thing many powers in Israel don't want to do. I keep saying that for decades. Either make them full citizens enjoying the same rights or withdraw to allow for their own state. Both won't happen in the foreseeable future.

Israel isn't as secular as some may believe. Far as I know they still haven't got the instrument of secular marriages. Maybe they have by now, but I don't know. Many secular young people go to Cyprus to get married because they don't want a rabbi at their weddings. And mixed marriages are as accepted as interracial ones in the USA of the 50ies.

(September 5, 2016 at 4:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm)RobertE Wrote: I don't think anyone was actually moving in an opposite direction here. Perhaps I am just hoping that in the long run, one day Israel will slowly open up to the Palestinian people and embrace them, just as they would their own families.

That's one thing many powers in Israel don't want to do. I keep saying that for decades. Either make them full citizens enjoying the same rights or withdraw to allow for their own state. Both won't happen in the foreseeable future.

Israel isn't as secular as some may believe. Far as I know they still haven't got the instrument of secular marriages. Maybe they have by now, but I don't know. Many secular young people go to Cyprus to get married because they don't want a rabbi at their weddings. And mixed marriages are as accepted as interracial ones in the USA of the 50ies.

It is up to the new generation to do something that the older ones couldn't do or be bothered to do, it is as simple as that. As long as there are god-fearing people around that region, it will always affect the peace process. Or why don't the Israelis just give the Palestinians a choice of a 50/50 split?

(September 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(September 5, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Harris Wrote: Anti-Semitism has become a tool of Zionist power in the world to excuse the Zionist invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This false equation of supposedly anti-Jewish prejudice with anybody who is opposing the genocide in Palestine has been used to stifle criticism of the genocide. It has been used to accuse people who oppose the genocide of the Palestinians with racism and in fact these are the Zionists who are racists, who have Jewish superiority state that has been created in Palestine.

Ethnic cleansing??, You don't have come out with some good ones. Have you ever thought of being a Bernard Manning type comedian. Take a look at the demographics of Palestine and tell me how many Palestinians there are or have been since 1948. Furthermore, Palestine knows that Israel could destroy that land and its people whenever it wants, however, it extends the olive branch of goodwill by allowing Palestinian people into its territory and work. Would that work the other way around, I don't think so.

You are owner of your home whether you live alone in there or with your family. As no outsider has a right to enter your house, kill your family, throw you out, and after demolishing your house build a casino and Disco bar in that place exactly the same way no one has right to kick Palestinian out of their land whether one person is living there or whole nation.