(September 22, 2016 at 11:06 pm)RobertE Wrote: We are bombarded every day to stop the generalisations about black people because it is considered racist, yet at the same time, blacks love to generalise about white europeans which is somehow justified. Again, culturally speaking, you have to ask yourself as to the reason why blacks are arrested more often than any other demographic. I mean, culturally, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, native American Indians and Mexicans seem to have a lower rate of arrest compared to blacks. Ask yourself why. As for the term "white guilt", I don't think anyone suffers from it at all apart from sjws. To not put a too finer point on it, you ask a black American to make a choice between racist police and the United States or Africa, he will choose the USA each time because he doesn't identify himself as African i.e. poor, living in tribes, eating very little, traditional medicine, language and religions. In the land of the free, there is everything they ever want. Perhaps if they gave something back to American society, then people might look differently.

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That's easy. They tend to live in economically deprived neighbourhoods. You live in a neighbourhood that is deprived of school funding, community services, and probably policed by people who are not from the neighbourhood and don't give a shit about the people living there, naturally people are going to turn to crime to make ends meet.

I don't think it's necessarily wrong to point out that crime rates may be higher among black Americans, what's wrong is that people end the analysis there, and act like it's just an inherent biological thing. You don't question the neglect for these neighbourhoods by local councils and governments, the cuts to school funding, the lack of promotion of and support for black entrepreneurship (which would benefit absolutely everyone). People just want to act like this "crime" happens in a vacuum and isn't caused by anything. They also want to act like no black people are trying to fight against the crime and make changes, when that's not the truth either. The biggest campaigners against black gang violence are black people, typically despairing parents who have lost sons to it.

I also think it's fucked up bringing Africa into the equation, when a massive part of the reason Africa is so fucked today is because it was raped of resources and force-fed organised religion, and had national borders placed haphazardously at the expense of indigenous heritage.

(September 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm)PDrich Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: Do what a cop says when he says it? I'll take it you're not a fan of the Constitution generally and the fourth amendment particularly. This shit will stop when we citizens unite and demand with one voice the protection provided by the fourth amendment for everyone.

Again,A cop's primary goal is to feel safe and have control over a situation FIRST. This is His primary goal as yours would be in a similar situation, then matters of law and constitutional rights come into play.

Quote:When I was a kid a running joke was "I'm with the KGB, show me your papers"; I don't see much difference with our police today. We have idly sat by with an inexhaustible supply of apathy while our rights have been systematically eroded. Fuck police. I'll change my tune when they serve and protect instead of endeavoring to meet arrest and seizure quotas.

Or when you have been scarred awake in the middle of the night and you know for certain someone is in your house...

Then show me concern for the constitutional rights of the B-hole who broke into your house and is looking to do you and yours harm. Where would you f the police attitude be then?

-Or better yet, There is more than likely a chance that the cops in your community have an unwritten list of homes/people who lets say get somewhat less attention or less response time to their homes/communities, than say a 911 call from a fellow officer's house, and at your home at the same time, someone on that list may have to wait out their situation a little longer than the officer's family would have to wait. So PM me your info, and let me see if I can get your name added to that list...

After all if you want to F-the police, then be ready bend over and take a turn in the barrel, be ready to reap the consequence of your philosophy.

Or are you just reciting lyrics from the 90s?

Drich,

You're incredibly stupid. Are you seriously making the argument that cops protect citizens from a home invader that's already inside the home? In what universe do you reside that people go to bed and station a cop on their sofa to monitor doors and windows? This is the only conceivable way a cop can do anything to protect me from home invasion. The police arrive after the fact to tape off the property and watch others clean up the mess.

Where in the fuck do you get the notion that my natural rights and those enumerated in our Constitution come after cops feeling safe? You're fucked in the head. Perhaps you don't understand what inalienable means. The police exist to protect my rights, not suspend or violate them. You and your ilk are a huge part of the problem.

If these secret lists exist as you suggest, which I seriously doubt, then fuck 'em even more.

(September 22, 2016 at 4:11 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Hey, it's a good thing no one is suggesting that then, isn't it?

No, of course they are not. That is not the point though. The point is that the police will have had enough of being treated like shit by the local ruffians that they will just walk from their jobs, and then you will see anarchy. As a supporter of the emergency services, I want to see the police stop policing for 24 hours, then we will see who will be shitting on the police afterwards. Believe me, there will be many hypocrites afterwards.

Pretty bold of you to make a prediction contingent on something that will never happen.

As far as hypocrisy, so what? People are frequently hypocrites. Film at 11.

What people here are shitting on are BAD cops that unjustifiably kill people, including a disproportionate number of dark skinned people.

I'm not OK with that, I will never be OK with that.

(September 22, 2016 at 11:06 pm)RobertE Wrote: In the land of the free, there is everything they ever want. Perhaps if they gave something back to American society, then people might look differently.

Like this guy for example, of someone who was poor, had little understanding of the English language and was like a fish out of water:

Quote:In 1968, Cho immigrated to the United States and settled in Chicago. He spoke very little English, and the only thing he knew about the city was the name of its onetime gangster king, Al Capone. He didn’t know much more about the rest of the country, either. But he learned quickly. After a year, he moved to South Bend, Indiana, then Milwaukee, then New York City, usually working during the day and teaching tae kwon do in the evening before spending the night at the studio. Finally, in Providence, Rhode Island, he opened a small tae kwon do school and used the last of his meager savings to take out a small ad in the local paper. A couple of days later, he had fifty students. He never looked back. Within just a few years, Cho had opened eight schools throughout New England.

https://www.aimaa.com/about_gmcho.htm

He could have just got a job but no, he gave something back to American society from his culture; Tae Kwon-Do. He didn't have to, and then many decades later, he has thousands of students, many hundreds of schools and he is richer culturally and is a top bloke, since I met him once in England.

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Where'd you go, RobertE? Surely you don't expect to post shit like this, and not be prepared to support your claim?
You've already admitted that you know not a single American, but there has to be some rationale behind your assertion that Black Americans give nothing back to their country, you clueless f*cking coward.

What is it?

Let's see the data, Robbie.

RobertE what is your obsession with Asians? You have this weird love of the model minority myth...Dude seriously....

WTF is a "ritor"?

Perhaps you should wait until after you've posted before starting your drinking.

Dumbfuck.

(September 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, the irony of complaining that protestors should wait for due process when people are being systematically gunned down by the police for minor offenses or nothing at all.  Or how about the irony of someone that regularly complains about the power of the state taking no issue with the state summarily executing people in the streets?

Why is it that when talking about welfare and other social programs conservatives can't express enough how evil the government is, but when it comes to the cops violating civil rights their response is "these protestors should settle down?"

"people are being s[ys]tematically gunned down for minor offenses or nothing at all"?  Are you insane, oblivious to truth, or merely intellectually bankrupt?  You sir are a douche of the first order.

Or, alternatively, you don't pay attention to the news.

Would you like youtube links, news-channel links or a simple shut the fuck up?

Happily serving your informational needs here since 2010.

(September 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Drich Wrote: Again,A cop's primary goal is to feel safe and have control over a situation FIRST. This is His primary goal as yours would be in a similar situation, then matters of law and constitutional rights come into play.

The problem with your "thinking", and I use that term very liberally, is that upholding the law is the formal and primary component of his job.

He is not allowed to break the law simply because he doesn't "feel safe".

Maybe one day you'll understand. But I doubt it. You don't seem very well-equipped above the level of your mouth.

(September 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Drich Wrote: Or when you have been scarred awake in the middle of the night and you know for certain someone is in your house...

Then show me concern for the constitutional rights of the B-hole who broke into your house and is looking to do you and yours harm. Where would you f the police attitude be then?

Unless he's a government official, your sudden concern about Constitutional rights is irrelevant.  The Constitution only regulates the government and its operations. It doesn't regulate private individuals.

Anyone with grade-school civics would know that. What year did you drop out of school, again?

Every time I think you've plumbed the depths of stupidity, I turn around and find you hard at work with pick-axe and shovel, striving to show that you can be dumber than I've imagined.

I guess that's an accomplishment, in your world... :shrug:

@Maelstrom  

I see a difference.  The sort of difference a half century of continued bigotry and institutional racism makes.