(September 24, 2016 at 2:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Not at the time of the tazer and the shot. His hand went into his pocket, which is why he was tazed and shot. Which means more than one officer felt threatened.

Yeah, whatever rocks your boat of righteousness. You know what, I can even go with tasering the guy, stretching it to my limits of acceptance after watching the video. But obviously not with shooting him.

Obviously the prosecutor holds the same opinion.

Honestly in that situation with the woman cop, they said she shot right after the tazer went off.. Have you ever heard a tazer deployed? sounds kinda like a snap-n-pop or one of those confeddy poppers. (where you pull the string and crap comes out the other end) This poor girl was rattled pretty hard by this big guy as she was first on the scene and had to deal with him the longest. then add her recent training on identifing people on drugs and what they can do, she was probable out of her mind, then when she heard the pop she jumped and pulled the trigger.

If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

which is probably why she is up for manslaughter.

Not her fault completely, but again that is the difference between the courts and the arresting officers. something these men seem to be confusing.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

Drama queen much? Where's the life and death situation there? Did you actually watch the video? Have you personally been in a real shootout? I have, as I said repeatedly in other threads. Twice in my life and to my ultimate displeasure.

And again. It's not only me or other laymen watching what happened. The prosecutor is filling charges for negligent manslaughter.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Working hard is the key to success. Not working at all is the key to failure.

Yeah, but sometimes the key doesn't fit the lock. Otherwise people slaving away at two or three jobs to scratch a living would be a success. Which they aren't. There are also numerous studies on upwards mobility if you're born into poor families. And no, I won't look them up right here and now. Move your own ass, they're in the public domain. If you're at all interested, besides providing us with hot air, that is.

In short it's the usual empty talking point to do away with the realities of the world we're living in.

(September 24, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Thena323 Wrote: This "animal" was guilty of not wearing a seat belt. He was never told to step away from his vehicle. The guy probably thought he was just going to get a ticket. At any rate, he did exactly what he was instructed to do.

The black man: Why did you shoot me?
Cop: You dove head first back into the car.

Again, the reason for the confrontation is meaningless. It is the action of the man that dictates the cop's action.

I'm sorry he got shot, but if a cop asks you to do something, acknowledge the request and announce everything you have to do to comply.

what the problem is?

(September 24, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Guilt or innocence isn't a matter for police officers to determine.

What about this "justice" business you were carrying on about? Respecting the process. 
I thought you were all for that.

Again, the primary reason for police interaction is not what is being judged or what is being punished" by a cop shooting someone. It is how an individual is perceived during a confrontation or in an instance where an officer has to subdue or take a person into custody.

Sure. That's a fair statement to make.

But, I also know that some people are automatically perceived as being an threat by many officers, PRIOR to these confrontations taking place. That has the potential to seriously affect an officer's ability to assess a situation and make judgement calls.  Particularly when combined with one or more of the following: General disdain for entire subgroup of people, an authoritarian personality, or an itchy trigger finger.

Quote:If a person or a suspect acts aggressively towards an officer (again independently of any crime they may have been accused of) then that action alone warrants the officer to escalated the situation even unto the suspect's/person's death.

That's kind of my point. When a cop's already already pre-determined that a person is a dumb, violent animal, almost anything they say or do can be interpreted as an act of aggression. 

Like simply being nervous, or asking a question.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm sorry he got shot, but if a cop asks you to do something, acknowledge the request and announce everything you have to do to comply.

what the problem is?

The problem can be easily reduced to this.



Otherwise other police forces around the world would have the same headcount. Which they haven't.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Working hard is the key to success. Not working at all is the key to failure.

Yeah, but sometimes the key doesn't fit the lock. Otherwise people slaving away at two or three jobs to scratch a living would be a success. Which they aren't. There are also numerous studies on upwards mobility if you're born into poor families. And no, I won't look them up right here and now. Move your own ass, they're in the public domain. If you're at all interested, besides providing us with hot air, that is.

In short it's the usual empty talking point to do away with the realities of the world we're living in.

I'll tell you my story later on. You will find that is not a typical "white mans privilege", story either. You will find that I was in a similar sort of position as the poor (put it this way, the poor in the USA have access to nice clothes, portable telephones and drugs if need be, for me, my family didn't have a car, a VCR, not even a standard telephone until I was around 18 years of age)in the USA except I kept myself virtually on the straight and narrow.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

Drama queen much? Where's the life and death situation there? Did you actually watch the video? Have you personally been in a real shootout? I have, as I said repeatedly in other threads. Twice in my life and to my ultimate displeasure.

And again. It's not only me or other laymen watching what happened. The prosecutor is filling charges for negligent manslaughter.

I never had to pull the trigger, but my dad and I were in a dispute with some inconsolable red neck hunters over a deer He killed, 2 of us 10 of them everyone was armed.. Dad told me wait till i shoot then gave me three men i was supposed to kill in a specific order... He said it would give us a chance to get out of there, If I did not hesitate, but looking back there was no way. Or if he was just trying to focus me to sell his bluff.. Nothing like a twelve year old sizing you up with a 12ga loaded with double 00 buck and dear slugs, to make you wonder why this kid and this old man are being so cocky..

Then I pulled a gun on a dude who was in my locked porch at like 2am turns out he was a cop. that could have got ugly quick and what's worse no one would have burned down a CVS and looted a beauty supply store in protest of my death. I'd had been just some dumb ass who pointed a gun at a cop. (did a thread on that one day after it happened you all called me names for a week don't remember look it up)

It all comes down to how one deals with their flight or fight reflex. if you are conditioned to fight you can handle the anxiety that comes when the adrenaline is flowing. if you are not and you gut feeling is to run then your cognitive thought process is at a far reduced capacity, and what is left is basic instinct. Which is why i know that little pop the tazer made is more than likely what set the lady cop off, and why that man was shot... Which leads back to his bahaivor that put a second officer in a position to subdue Him with his tazer to begin with..

Dude was not in compliance with the cops, and was moving in a threatening manner which is why he was tazed, and subsequently why he was shot.

Was he shot wrongly, that for a jury to decide. do people who's flight or fight naturally has them run, need to be cops? That is another subject all together.