(September 24, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 12:14 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying

No, I'm saying that there are socioeconomic factors at play, like the cycle of poverty and despair these kids grow up in, as opposed this character flaw you would like to assign to black people as a whole.

No one is poor in this country because because their mommy is poor. Again there are several other minority classes most of which do not even speak the language who first generation out of the gate break the cycle of poverty. People in this country do not understand that if you are born poor in india you have no hope. if you are born poor in china or even korea there is no hope. There is no reason here why a poor person has to be poor, despite who they were born to.

The majority of black people who are poor are so because that is the culture they foster. you put a poor man who has a strong work ethic that is ingrained in him from his culture next to a man who has no work ethic and give each a chance to make something of themselves, the no work ethic man will alway have an excuse while the guy with a work ethic will come out on top.

What you are spouting back, are key words like cycle of poverty, despair ect.. it's all propaganda. Again this is a culture thing. There is even a cultural divide between poor black Americans and successful black Americans. This is not racism it's fact. Things like how one spends money, and on what will determine if one is successful or not, not where or to whom they were born.. If a community centers itself around partying and procreation then it's primary expense/where the money goes will be "plumage"/think peacock (crap to make themselves more appealing to a mate.) However if an individual centers on the working western model of sucess (education, saving investment etc) then there is better than a fair chance in this society he will become successful.

Quote:So, it's no different than the white kids.

 today? no. 25 years ago.. yes.

Quote:Anti-intellectualism is rampant in this country(you're exhibit A for this), and that attitude is just as prevalent in white people as it is black people.  Yet somehow white people seem to be able to overcome this more easily. Could this not be because they are afforded better opportunities as a whole?

White trash not a thing where you live?

Some of the worst neighborhoods have nothing to do with minorities where I live, it's out of control white people that are the scariest. If it was as you think, whites would not ever be in poverity. here's a little tid bit you don't seem to get... WHITES ARE THE MAJORITY OF POOR PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY!!! 41% of poor people are WHITE!!! nearly double the black population of poor people!!

Wake up moron, if what you say is true then white people are letting themselves down by allowing double their number to suffer in poverty than black...

OR AGAIN, This could just be a cultural thing. Some people Are lazy and would rather party than work and save. and this culture spans all races as all races are affected the same way.

Quote:And it's nice that you admit that a child has little hope of overcoming their culture.

where did i say this?

Quote:  Now, if you could only be honest with yourself and admit that socioeconomic factors are extremely powerful pieces of that culture and not as simple to overcome as a parent merely placing value on education.  I doubt it, though, because you only seem interested in placing the blame squarely at the feet at those most adversely affected.

maybe to stupid rich people, who can't see a future or hope with out money providing everything you could want or need.. I grew up super poor, and there is nothing anyone will ever tell me that will convince me that you are doomed if you do not grow up rich. Again white guilt plagues you, and if you will let me/shut up and listen I will show you where the BS begins and ends.

A nice article on the Indian/Chinese demographic and their jobs as compared to other demographics including whites, thus showing how much they want to succeed against the odds including racism.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internation...216416.ece

http://www.demos.co.uk/blog/why-are-brit...akistanis/

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150518/wo...l-uk-study

Working hard is the key to success. Not working at all is the key to failure.

(September 24, 2016 at 2:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Not at the time of the tazer and the shot. His hand went into his pocket, which is why he was tazed and shot. Which means more than one officer felt threatened.

Yeah, whatever rocks your boat of righteousness. You know what, I can even go with tasering the guy, stretching it to my limits of acceptance after watching the video. But obviously not with shooting him.

Obviously the prosecutor holds the same opinion.

Honestly in that situation with the woman cop, they said she shot right after the tazer went off.. Have you ever heard a tazer deployed? sounds kinda like a snap-n-pop or one of those confeddy poppers. (where you pull the string and crap comes out the other end) This poor girl was rattled pretty hard by this big guy as she was first on the scene and had to deal with him the longest. then add her recent training on identifing people on drugs and what they can do, she was probable out of her mind, then when she heard the pop she jumped and pulled the trigger.

If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

which is probably why she is up for manslaughter.

Not her fault completely, but again that is the difference between the courts and the arresting officers. something these men seem to be confusing.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

Drama queen much? Where's the life and death situation there? Did you actually watch the video? Have you personally been in a real shootout? I have, as I said repeatedly in other threads. Twice in my life and to my ultimate displeasure.

And again. It's not only me or other laymen watching what happened. The prosecutor is filling charges for negligent manslaughter.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Working hard is the key to success. Not working at all is the key to failure.

Yeah, but sometimes the key doesn't fit the lock. Otherwise people slaving away at two or three jobs to scratch a living would be a success. Which they aren't. There are also numerous studies on upwards mobility if you're born into poor families. And no, I won't look them up right here and now. Move your own ass, they're in the public domain. If you're at all interested, besides providing us with hot air, that is.

In short it's the usual empty talking point to do away with the realities of the world we're living in.

(September 24, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Thena323 Wrote: This "animal" was guilty of not wearing a seat belt. He was never told to step away from his vehicle. The guy probably thought he was just going to get a ticket. At any rate, he did exactly what he was instructed to do.

The black man: Why did you shoot me?
Cop: You dove head first back into the car.

Again, the reason for the confrontation is meaningless. It is the action of the man that dictates the cop's action.

I'm sorry he got shot, but if a cop asks you to do something, acknowledge the request and announce everything you have to do to comply.

what the problem is?

(September 24, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 23, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Guilt or innocence isn't a matter for police officers to determine.

What about this "justice" business you were carrying on about? Respecting the process. 
I thought you were all for that.

Again, the primary reason for police interaction is not what is being judged or what is being punished" by a cop shooting someone. It is how an individual is perceived during a confrontation or in an instance where an officer has to subdue or take a person into custody.

Sure. That's a fair statement to make.

But, I also know that some people are automatically perceived as being an threat by many officers, PRIOR to these confrontations taking place. That has the potential to seriously affect an officer's ability to assess a situation and make judgement calls.  Particularly when combined with one or more of the following: General disdain for entire subgroup of people, an authoritarian personality, or an itchy trigger finger.

Quote:If a person or a suspect acts aggressively towards an officer (again independently of any crime they may have been accused of) then that action alone warrants the officer to escalated the situation even unto the suspect's/person's death.

That's kind of my point. When a cop's already already pre-determined that a person is a dumb, violent animal, almost anything they say or do can be interpreted as an act of aggression. 

Like simply being nervous, or asking a question.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm sorry he got shot, but if a cop asks you to do something, acknowledge the request and announce everything you have to do to comply.

what the problem is?

The problem can be easily reduced to this.



Otherwise other police forces around the world would have the same headcount. Which they haven't.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:12 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: Working hard is the key to success. Not working at all is the key to failure.

Yeah, but sometimes the key doesn't fit the lock. Otherwise people slaving away at two or three jobs to scratch a living would be a success. Which they aren't. There are also numerous studies on upwards mobility if you're born into poor families. And no, I won't look them up right here and now. Move your own ass, they're in the public domain. If you're at all interested, besides providing us with hot air, that is.

In short it's the usual empty talking point to do away with the realities of the world we're living in.

I'll tell you my story later on. You will find that is not a typical "white mans privilege", story either. You will find that I was in a similar sort of position as the poor (put it this way, the poor in the USA have access to nice clothes, portable telephones and drugs if need be, for me, my family didn't have a car, a VCR, not even a standard telephone until I was around 18 years of age)in the USA except I kept myself virtually on the straight and narrow.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:22 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm sorry he got shot, but if a cop asks you to do something, acknowledge the request and announce everything you have to do to comply.

what the problem is?

The problem can be easily reduced to this.



Otherwise other police forces around the world would have the same headcount. Which they haven't.

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-06-10-fdf

And we wonder why cops are 6 times more likely to die in South Africa than the USA? Because they don't react quickly enough to the situation, if they did, there would be less.

(September 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: If you ever held a gun on someone in a life or death situation the one thing that is most clear is the fact that one of you could die at any moment and if you cant control that feeling then a noise will have you instinctual react to preserve yourself.

Drama queen much? Where's the life and death situation there? Did you actually watch the video? Have you personally been in a real shootout? I have, as I said repeatedly in other threads. Twice in my life and to my ultimate displeasure.

And again. It's not only me or other laymen watching what happened. The prosecutor is filling charges for negligent manslaughter.

I never had to pull the trigger, but my dad and I were in a dispute with some inconsolable red neck hunters over a deer He killed, 2 of us 10 of them everyone was armed.. Dad told me wait till i shoot then gave me three men i was supposed to kill in a specific order... He said it would give us a chance to get out of there, If I did not hesitate, but looking back there was no way. Or if he was just trying to focus me to sell his bluff.. Nothing like a twelve year old sizing you up with a 12ga loaded with double 00 buck and dear slugs, to make you wonder why this kid and this old man are being so cocky..

Then I pulled a gun on a dude who was in my locked porch at like 2am turns out he was a cop. that could have got ugly quick and what's worse no one would have burned down a CVS and looted a beauty supply store in protest of my death. I'd had been just some dumb ass who pointed a gun at a cop. (did a thread on that one day after it happened you all called me names for a week don't remember look it up)

It all comes down to how one deals with their flight or fight reflex. if you are conditioned to fight you can handle the anxiety that comes when the adrenaline is flowing. if you are not and you gut feeling is to run then your cognitive thought process is at a far reduced capacity, and what is left is basic instinct. Which is why i know that little pop the tazer made is more than likely what set the lady cop off, and why that man was shot... Which leads back to his bahaivor that put a second officer in a position to subdue Him with his tazer to begin with..

Dude was not in compliance with the cops, and was moving in a threatening manner which is why he was tazed, and subsequently why he was shot.

Was he shot wrongly, that for a jury to decide. do people who's flight or fight naturally has them run, need to be cops? That is another subject all together.