(September 27, 2016 at 1:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Plus, is this 'best research' based solely on the subjective, anecdotal reports of the patients after the fact?  Because tenuity of any conclusion drawn from that kind of data should be clear..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/...fic-study/

Quote:The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.

It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread scepticism.

But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.

And they found that nearly 40 per cent of people who survived described some kind of ‘awareness’ during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted.

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.

“We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former research fellow at Southampton University, now at the State University of New York, who led the study.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped.
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“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

Of 2,060 cardiac arrest patients studied, 330 survived and of 140 surveyed, 39 per cent said they had experienced some kind of awareness while being resuscitated.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98447

Quote:A British scientist studying heart attack patients says he is finding evidence that suggests that consciousness may continue after the brain has stopped functioning and a patient is clinically dead.

The research, presented to scientists last week at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), resurrects the debate over whether there is life after death and whether there is such a thing as the human soul.

"The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with no brain function … who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not to function," Sam Parnia, one of two doctors from Southampton General Hospital in England who have been studying so-called near-death experiences (NDEs), told Reuters in an interview.

"We need to do much larger-scale studies, but the possibility is certainly there" to suggest that consciousness, or the soul, keeps thinking and reasoning even if a person's heart has stopped, he is not breathing and his brain activity is nil, Parnia said.

(September 27, 2016 at 2:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 1:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Plus, is this 'best research' based solely on the subjective, anecdotal reports of the patients after the fact?  Because tenuity of any conclusion drawn from that kind of data should be clear..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/...fic-study/

Quote:The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.

It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread scepticism.

But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.

And they found that nearly 40 per cent of people who survived described some kind of ‘awareness’ during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted.

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.

“We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former research fellow at Southampton University, now at the State University of New York, who led the study.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped.
s
“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

Of 2,060 cardiac arrest patients studied, 330 survived and of 140 surveyed, 39 per cent said they had experienced some kind of awareness while being resuscitated.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98447

Quote:A British scientist studying heart attack patients says he is finding evidence that suggests that consciousness may continue after the brain has stopped functioning and a patient is clinically dead.

The research, presented to scientists last week at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), resurrects the debate over whether there is life after death and whether there is such a thing as the human soul.

"The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with no brain function … who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not to function," Sam Parnia, one of two doctors from Southampton General Hospital in England who have been studying so-called near-death experiences (NDEs), told Reuters in an interview.

"We need to do much larger-scale studies, but the possibility is certainly there" to suggest that consciousness, or the soul, keeps thinking and reasoning even if a person's heart has stopped, he is not breathing and his brain activity is nil, Parnia said.

So...yes, they are based on simply anecdotal reports?

(September 27, 2016 at 2:32 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So...yes, they are based on simply anecdotal reports?

Quote:an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

What part of MEDICAL STUDY did you not understand? Or are you saying that medical studies are consider anecdotal evidence.

What did I expect discussing science with a person who couldn't even get the scientific method correct... And of course Stimbo is right there to kudos some BS.

(September 27, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 2:32 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So...yes, they are based on simply anecdotal reports?

Quote:an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

What part of MEDICAL STUDY did you not understand? Or are you saying that medical studies are consider anecdotal evidence.

What did I expect discussing science with a person who couldn't even get the scientific method correct... And of course Stimbo is right there to kudos some BS.

The data of the study is anecdotal reports.  It's pretty simple Huggy. Getting reports of personal experience can only be anecdotal. Does this make it false? Nope. But it does require something much more before we can just say "Oh, well they reported their experiences so their experiences must be true" and jumping to the conclusion that consciousness can exist completely removed from the physical state of the brain.

And that shot at me about the scientific method - that used to be in your signature, whatever happened to that?

(September 27, 2016 at 2:46 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What part of MEDICAL STUDY did you not understand? Or are you saying that medical studies are consider anecdotal evidence.

What did I expect discussing science with a person who couldn't even get the scientific method correct... And of course Stimbo is right there to kudos some BS.

The data of the study is anecdotal reports.  It's pretty simple Huggy.  Getting reports of personal experience can only be anecdotal.  Does this make it false? Nope.  But it does require something much more before we can just say "Oh, well they reported their experiences so their experiences must be true" and jumping to the conclusion that consciousness can exist completely removed from the physical state of the brain.

The point is, there should be no experience while the persons brain isn't functioning correct? A person being able to describe what happened to them while having no functioning brain, that experience also being confirmed by the doctors, is not anecdotal.

The lengths y'all will go to to reject scientific studies when it contradicts your world view is phenomenal, especially since NO ONE has proven that consciousness cannot exist after death of the body, but you'll accept that explanation no questions asked.

Mn, I think I've learned my lesson - don't bother talking science with Huggy.

(September 27, 2016 at 8:03 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 26, 2016 at 6:16 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I'd say the reducing elasticity of "chemical bounce" by the body is a prime suspect.

And the over accumulation of irritants, physical and otherwise is another.  You know what cleans both those out? A good fast.

I find a week long fast to be physically, mentally, and emotionally rejuvenating.

Please don't tell strangers on the Internet not to eat, Ark.   You realize this could be deadly advice for a diabetic, yes?  I love you man, but please do stick to arbor...ism.  

I am learning my lessons here, which is why I said what I do, and what works for me. There is plenty more information out there on the health benefits and safe ways to go about fasting should anyone be interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

Mark Mattson is the current Chief of the Laboratory of Neurosciences at the National Institute on Aging. He is also a professor of Neuroscience at The Johns Hopkins University.

Oh and thanks for the love LoC,

(September 27, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 8:03 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Please don't tell strangers on the Internet not to eat, Ark.   You realize this could be deadly advice for a diabetic, yes?  I love you man, but please do stick to arbor...ism.  

I am learning my lessons here, which is why I said what I do, and what works for me.  There is plenty more information out there on the health benefits and safe ways to go about fasting should anyone be interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

Mark Mattson is the current Chief of the Laboratory of Neurosciences at the National Institute on Aging. He is also a professor of Neuroscience at The Johns Hopkins University.

Oh and thanks for the love LoC,

What I'm interested in is how in the name of fuck does this relate to the topic at hand?

(September 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I am learning my lessons here, which is why I said what I do, and what works for me.  There is plenty more information out there on the health benefits and safe ways to go about fasting should anyone be interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

Mark Mattson is the current Chief of the Laboratory of Neurosciences at the National Institute on Aging. He is also a professor of Neuroscience at The Johns Hopkins University.

Oh and thanks for the love LoC,

What I'm interested in is how in the name of fuck does this relate to the topic at hand?

Regular fasting has been shone to increase the life spans of mice. In humans fasting triples HGH concentration and boosts brain power.


So you'll have more time and more mental capacity to grok your life's meaning....with the potential to make it mean more.

(September 26, 2016 at 6:46 pm)wallym Wrote: They are crazy.  But that's the beauty of life being meaningless.  You don't get more points for not being crazy.  

Unfortunately, you also don't get more points for being right.  If you have one person who is right and another person who is sexy, the sexy person will almost always get more points.  If I could choose between always being right and always being sexy, I'd choose to always be sexy.