(September 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not changing any narrative, I showed you video of 2 men resisting cops by using force. The charges were dropped. If you're not allowed to resist cops authority, then explain why the charges were dropped.

The bold part of your statement is what I mean people wrongly assume that an arrest is a judgement. Which is why I said:

Many, people foolish think that an arrest or being detain is the same as being sentenced to a prison term. So they over react, and try and excuse none compliant behavior with how the law reads.. Due process at this point does include an opportunity for you or me to defend one self. that is a matter of the court.

You wrongly assumed that just because one is arrested the charges should stick. I am saying cops have one job, and that is to detain or arrest people. that's it that's all. The due process/justice part does not end with an arrest. It comes at trial. Or in your two videos case, all the checks and balances before the trial like say the Sergent's or the prosecutor's desk.

My whole point in the statement "you can't alpha a cop" means you're going to jail come hell or high water if a cop has it in his mind to take you. Now.. Does that trip to jail mean the cop was justified or his decision will stand up to the conviction process?? no. But again, that is not what I am talking about, which is why I said you changed the narrative. As I was only trying to say that if a cop has it in his mind to take you to jail your going and no amount of BS or even effort is going to keep you out of jail... so then why fight? Why BS?? Why put on a defense for the cop/why pour on the civil rights crap? if your going to jail, your going to jail, you citing due process (what happens after said arrest) is not going to matter during an arrest. Which again is what people seem like they don't know or are forgetting.

Durning the arrest process we are all expected to surrender with out a fight. Once we put up a fight then the cops are witnessing a crime (resisting arrest or assault on a police officer) in which case are allowed to suspend your 'rights' in your apprehension. which is why I said all your civil rights crap was just that during an arrest. Once you have been detained then your rights are reapplied, which affords you due process that determines if an arrest was proper or if you are guilty of any crime that may have had the cops arrest you to begin with.

Quote:Were the guys initially arrested? yes... I shouldn't have to explain to you that cops tend to misrepresent facts when they know they are in the wrong.

Quote:then like you ask me I ask you why didn't the charges stick? why were these two cases dismissed?

Because cops are not judges, jurys or lawyers. they are simply the arresting agency. they only repersent one aspect of the process we are due, by our constitutional rights. they get it right we goto jail, they get it wrong we go free.

The people you seem to believe this is 12th century England where being arrested is the same as being guilty.

Quote:Did Christ rebel when He was 'unlawfully' detained, or did he put up a fight? What did He tell peter after he tried to fight the unlawful detention of Christ?

Did Paul fight capture, did he call for riots even after being whipped?

If you are honest to yourself about our religion you will note the whole religion center's itself around those of us who have been wrongful detained and prosecuted and yet remained faithful even unto death. So then how is the cross you've been asked to be somehow greater and excuses you from submission than the literal crosses Christ and just about everyone who followed Him were nailed to?

Not to mention Paul's direct command in Rom 13 for us to submit ourselves to the governing authorities. Which was a lot tougher command to follow in his day under an insane Ceaser who crucified christians and set them ablaze to light his garden parties.
Of which I'm sure did not receive anything close to a fair trial.

Quote:Did you forget that Jesus straight up told Pilate that he had no authority over him other than what God gave him? So Jesus was submitting to the will of God not the authority of Pilate.

Again, confusing due process with being arrested.
You are right pilate did not have authority over Christ, but my point is only magnified by the fact that even though Pilate had no authority over Jesus, Jesus still submitted to the arrest. Which flies in direct opposition to what you said about the bible not saying we had to endure a wrongful arrest.

How much more wrong could an arrest ever be, than the arrest of Christ?
Yet He submitted and went with the arresting guards.

Quote:As for the Paul (and for any christian), it was an honor to suffer for the name sake of Jesus Christ, they will receive their reward Does it not say in Hebrews that Moses esteemed the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt: For he respect unto the recommence of the reward?

Let me ask you a question.

If the "governing authorities" commanded you to renounce your faith... would you do so?

If it served God to do so. As I am a servant looking to do the will of my master.
But,
Right now with my current understanding? I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: If it served God to do so. As I am a servant looking to do the will of my master.

Black people in slavery thought the same thing at one time.

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

*Mounts a horse*

(September 26, 2016 at 9:32 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 26, 2016 at 2:07 pm)Drich Wrote: If in the History of the world no 12 year old has killed a man or even a cop with a gun, then I can understand the idea of an over reaction. Not to mention the toy was not a overt obvious toy it was an airsoft pistol that had been modified to look more realistic (the orange barrel was painted black) It looked like a real gun.


Tell me that is a toy. That is a 1:1 replica of 1911 45 automatic that is designed to fire projectiles. Some airsoft guns fire with the aid of co2 carts and make a convincing pop for about 1/2 a second. These airsofts guns function in same exact way the real guns work. There is no discernible way to look at this gun and tell it is a fake. the only way to know for sure is to pick it up, which the cops cant do if the kid has it on him.

Except that Ohio is an open carry state, meaning it is not against the law to openly carry a firearm fake or not.

I guess we all know the laws are applied different to black folks, right?

NOT FOR A 12 YEAROLD!

Open carry or not this law does not apply to a kid with a gun.

Where is the common sense in this argument? how does the rights of a man let alone a man of a specific race transfer to a child?

Or is your evocation of "black folk" supposed to scare me off from calling your bluff?

well it didn't. I'm all in. Show me where open carry laws in ohio allow for 12 year olds to carry openly and then show me where it is ok for them to brandish point them at people in public places. Because that is what can be seen in the video, that is what was reported, and that is the situation the officers were called into.

(September 27, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: If it served God to do so. As I am a servant looking to do the will of my master.

Black people in slavery thought the same thing at one time.

So did white people in slavery or do you really think there were only ever black slaves?

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.

Dude, ever considered a career writing for the Onion? You could make a fortune penning stuff like that.

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.

Hahaha wtf

(September 26, 2016 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:  Or do you think given the social climate cops are recruiting guys like this and protecting them when they do something stupid?

Where do you live, on another planet? Are you not familiar with the term "blue wall of silence"?

Quote:Drich
Out side of the small town (where nothing happens) police officers are tested. And some of the reserve officers don't get tested and some of the administrative officers also forego testing. But there isn't a major city/population area that cops aren't tested in.

Tag, you're it. 

Your turn to provide a source, please; Because, I highly suspect this is just some shit you think. 

Prove me wrong. 
I assure you, I can take it...unlike some people.

Quote:Thena wrote:
The wildly prejudicial belief that "All Negroes need to be shown a firm hand" likely drives yours motives and actions whenever you interact with blacks. I get that you're "okay" with that.

Quote:Drich 

F-U and the black chip on your shoulder.

 

Well, pardon me. You DID  state that...

Quote:Drich wrote:
The problem here is the black community at large is raised to believe they must be alpha males all the time. The want to dominate and be in control, which is in direct violation of every cops mandate on the street. 

And....

Quote:Drich wrote:
If you were punched hit or kicked by a certain segment of the population almost everytime you had to confront them would you treat them any differently?
Truth is i would. Why? I am not a stupid person and I want to make sure I go home to my family every night, and if that means i make a mistake and offend a few people, then f-them.

*My highlighting, for emphasis.

Clearly, you felt that it was unfair for me conclude that it's LIKELY you deem it necessary to adopt a tough, zero-tolerance policy when dealing with "the Negroes". I don't know what to say, other than your words were my guide.

Quote:Drich
How about ANYONE needs to be shown a firm hand if they do not comply and NO one gets a pass moron.

Does ANYONE include those officers who don't comply with law, and abuse their authority? Apparently, not. 

They certainly get a pass in the minds of morons, such as yourself. You viewed the video of a completely compliant South Carolina driver getting shot by a state trooper and immediately blamed the victim. THEN you were informed of the trooper's failure to follow procedure AND of his LYING statement to his supervisor. And what did you do, Drich? 

You dismissed the facts, carried on and proceeded to invent more excuses for that piece of shit.

Pass, pass, motherf*ckin' PASS.

Quote:You are the one looking for special dispensation in accordance to race.

Wrong. 

What I'm looking for, is to be relatively certain that my sons, or anyone else for that matter, won't have law-enforcement officers go upside their head, or put a bullet in their chest without sufficient cause to do so. 

That's it.

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: [...]I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.

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Nobody's going to "come for you", Dripsh*t. Nobody gives a sh*t about you, or your masturbatory martyrdom fantasies. You'll die just like most people - as a bed-ridden, bitter old f*ck, sh*tting and p*ssing yourself in the name of the lord. And if "they" did come for you - you'd sh*t and p*ss yourself too, probably denouncing your silly superstitions, given half a chance.

The level of megalomania among idiots claiming humility is sometimes astounding... smh

(September 27, 2016 at 5:20 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote: I look forward to dying like Paul rather than kneeling before a Hillary type regime.

That said when they come for me I will not fight them, and just short of God giving me direct instructions to the contrary I will die as they did.

Dude, ever considered a career writing for the Onion? You could make a fortune penning stuff like that.

 just think you get all of that million dollar skill, for free... AND I even take the time to speak to you personally at no additional charge, no matter how stupid some of your stuff can be!

(September 27, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not changing any narrative, I showed you video of 2 men resisting cops by using force. The charges were dropped. If you're not allowed to resist cops authority, then explain why the charges were dropped.

The bold part of your statement  is what I mean people wrongly assume that an arrest is a judgement. Which is why I said:

Many, people foolish think that an arrest or being detain is the same as being sentenced to a prison term. So they over react, and try and excuse none compliant behavior with how the law reads.. Due process at this point does include an opportunity for you or me to defend one self. that is a matter of the court.

You wrongly assumed that just because one is arrested the charges should stick. I am saying cops have one job, and that is to detain or arrest people. that's it that's all. The due process/justice part does not end with an arrest. It comes at trial. Or in your two videos case, all the checks and balances before the trial like say the Sergent's or the prosecutor's desk.

My whole point in the statement "you can't alpha a cop" means you're going to jail come hell or high water if a cop has it in his mind to take you. Now.. Does that trip to jail mean the cop was justified or his decision will stand up to the conviction process?? no. But again, that is not what I am talking about, which is why I said you changed the narrative. As I was only trying to say that if a cop has it in his mind to take you to jail your going and no amount of BS or even effort is going to keep you out of jail... so then why fight? Why BS?? Why put on a defense for the cop/why pour on the civil rights crap? if your going to jail, your going to jail, you citing due process (what happens after said arrest) is not going to matter during an arrest. Which again is what people seem like they don't know or are forgetting.

Durning the arrest process we are all expected to surrender with out a fight. Once we put up a fight then the cops are witnessing a crime (resisting arrest or assault on a police officer) in which case are allowed to suspend your 'rights' in your apprehension. which is why I said all your civil rights crap was just that during an arrest. Once you have been detained then your rights are reapplied, which affords you due process that determines if an arrest was proper or if you are guilty of any crime that may have had the cops arrest you to begin with.

I don't think you get the point I'm trying to make, read my quote again.

(September 26, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not changing any narrative, I showed you video of 2 men resisting cops by using force. The charges were dropped. If you're not allowed to resist cops authority, then explain why the charges were dropped.

My question, why were the charges of assault on a police officer dropped? They are clearly shown on video fighting with the cops, but according to YOU, one is not allowed to resist an unlawful arrest, and should just bend over and take it.

So I ask again, why were the charges dropped?

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(September 27, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Drich Wrote: NOT FOR A 12 YEAROLD!

Open carry or not this law does not apply to a kid with a gun.

Where is the common sense in this argument? how does the rights of a man let alone a man of a specific race transfer to a child?

I don't think I follow you. Are you saying that since it's totally legal for adults to openly carry a firearm, any children that do so should (Tamir Rice wasn't carrying a firearm) be shot on sight?

(September 27, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Or is your evocation of "black folk" supposed to scare me off from calling your bluff?

well it didn't. I'm all in. Show me where open carry laws in ohio allow for 12 year olds to carry openly and then show me where it is ok for them to brandish point them at people in public places. Because that is what can be seen in the video, that is what was reported, and that is the situation the officers were called into.

How many times did James Holmes brandish and point a gun a people? Oh wait he actually killed 12 people... he was taken alive.

How many times did Dylan Roof brandish and point a gun a people? Oh wait he actually killed 9 people... he was also taken alive and bought a burger to boot.