(October 28, 2016 at 10:19 am)Cato Wrote: The obstructionist charge is bullshit. There is zero compromise and both parties are to blame. Not finding a workable solution to then cry that the other side didn't give you everything you wanted is just as bad. They're all a bunch of self serving cunts.

The democrats didn't fillibuster every law under Shrub, Obama spent the whole of his first term trying to find a compromise, any compromise even using Republican created legislation for Obamacare over far better and more popular alternatives, and they wouldn't budge.

Face facts Cato, the Republican Party's official position since 1994 has been "if even the smallest iota of goverment policy is a tiny bit different than what we want, we will make sure government can do nothing".

(October 31, 2016 at 7:47 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(October 28, 2016 at 10:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: I think if the republicans keep acting like this, they'll be forced to give up power. You can't run a government like this. It's a million wonders why the democrats aren't pounding on this. Then again, establishment dems don't actually want to win. Even when their opponents are hoisting themselves by their own petards, democrats won't do anything.

It's the same reason why the Bliarites engaged in suicidal attempts to backstab Corbyn recently rather than working with him to hammer the Torykippers while they are at their historical weakest.

I've actually never heard of those groups, but sure. People in power just think entirely different from other people in the world.

(October 31, 2016 at 7:47 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(October 28, 2016 at 10:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: I think if the republicans keep acting like this, they'll be forced to give up power. You can't run a government like this. It's a million wonders why the democrats aren't pounding on this. Then again, establishment dems don't actually want to win. Even when their opponents are hoisting themselves by their own petards, democrats won't do anything.

It's the same reason why the Bliarites engaged in suicidal attempts to backstab Corbyn recently rather than working with him to hammer the Torykippers while they are at their historical weakest.

Except that Corbyn isn't even attempting to "hammer" the Conservatives...
At this point the Lib-Dems are the effective opposition by default.
The only blows Corbyn has landed are on himself.

(October 31, 2016 at 11:23 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Except that Corbyn isn't even attempting to "hammer" the Conservatives...
At this point the Lib-Dems are the effective opposition by default.
The only blows Corbyn has landed are on himself.

How can you manage to land any blows on the government when c. 70% of the parliamentary party are unwilling to accept the will of the party as a whole and are in constant revolt.

And the few times he did get a week or two free to concentrate on being the Opposition leader, he did manage to land some serious blows on Torykipper policy.

(October 31, 2016 at 9:13 am)Chad32 Wrote: I've actually never heard of those groups, but sure. People in power just think entirely different from other people in the world.

Blair is actually at the cradle of murdering social democracy in Europe with his so called third way. It's conservatism light.