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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 10:26 am
(October 28, 2016 at 10:19 am)Cato Wrote: The obstructionist charge is bullshit. There is zero compromise and both parties are to blame. Not finding a workable solution to then cry that the other side didn't give you th you wanted is just as bad. They're all a bunch of self serving cunts.
I don't recall any stories about the dems shutting down the government when Bush was in office.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 10:31 am
Despite the obstructionism, the government still spends billions more every day than it takes in, so it's not like any (over)spending programs were inconvenienced in the least.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 10:37 am
(October 28, 2016 at 10:24 am)Divinity Wrote: Yeah, the obstruction charge is total bullshit. Not like the Republicans are refusing to give a hearing to a Supreme Court Nominee or anything... over the next 5 years if Hillary wins. OH WAIT THEY ARE. It's fucking bullshit to say both parties are to blame. The Republicans have made themselves impossible to work with. They toss in fucking stupid anti-abortion laws every chance they get, and do everything they can to undermine the goals of the President. And that's all they do. It's what happens when you vote people into government that hate the very idea of a federal government.
And it's not like Ted Cruz forced the government to shut down because Obama refused to rescind the ACA (as if he actually had that power) with his little filibuster. Yeah, that's not obstructionist at all, that's totally working with the other party to get things done.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am
(October 28, 2016 at 10:26 am)Chad32 Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 10:19 am)Cato Wrote: The obstructionist charge is bullshit. There is zero compromise and both parties are to blame. Not finding a workable solution to then cry that the other side didn't give you th you wanted is just as bad. They're all a bunch of self serving cunts.
I don't recall any stories about the dems shutting down the government when Bush was in office.
Because that is entirely false equivocation. Government doesn't just exist to serve as a lightening rod for people's anger and elections aren't opportunities for expressing your most ardent desires. Politics should be the art of compromise not blood sport.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 12:27 pm
(October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 10:26 am)Chad32 Wrote: I don't recall any stories about the dems shutting down the government when Bush was in office.
Because that is entirely false equivocation. Government doesn't just exist to serve as a lightening rod for people's anger and elections aren't opportunities for expressing your most ardent desires. Politics should be the art of compromise not blood sport.
All I see is Obama trying to compromise, and the republicans refusing anyway. When he first got in, the dems had a super majority, but obama still tried giving some concessions. Not to mention his supreme court pick was a centrist, and they don't care. Hillary says she looks forward to working with repubs, because she's basically a moderate republican. I'm not sure how you can say the dems have been as bad as the repubs for the past eight years when it coms to failure to compromise.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 12:39 pm
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(October 28, 2016 at 10:31 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Despite the obstructionism, the government still spends billions more every day than it takes in, so it's not like any (over)spending programs were inconvenienced in the least.
Both parties agree on -some- things. This is a civilized country V, the gravy train has to run on time. 
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 12:55 pm
(October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 10:26 am)Chad32 Wrote: I don't recall any stories about the dems shutting down the government when Bush was in office.
Because that is entirely false equivocation. Government doesn't just exist to serve as a lightening rod for people's anger and elections aren't opportunities for expressing your most ardent desires. Politics should be the art of compromise not blood sport.
It's totally not false equivocation. The Democrats never held the budget hostage, shutting down the government and threatening a crisis just because they didn't like something W did. Nor did they ever state that they would absolutely refuse to hold hearings on a Supreme Court nominee, no matter who it is, just because W appointed them. Republicans are all about obstructionism if someone they don't like is in the White House.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 1:50 pm
(October 28, 2016 at 12:55 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: Because that is entirely false equivocation. Government doesn't just exist to serve as a lightening rod for people's anger and elections aren't opportunities for expressing your most ardent desires. Politics should be the art of compromise not blood sport.
It's totally not false equivocation. The Democrats never held the budget hostage, shutting down the government and threatening a crisis just because they didn't like something W did. Nor did they ever state that they would absolutely refuse to hold hearings on a Supreme Court nominee, no matter who it is, just because W appointed them. Republicans are all about obstructionism if someone they don't like is in the White House.
No, no. I was agreeing with Chad32 in what he had written in response to Cato:
Chad32 Wrote: Wrote:(3 hours ago)Cato Wrote: Wrote:The obstructionist charge is bullshit. There is zero compromise and both parties are to blame. Not finding a workable solution to then cry that the other side didn't give you th you wanted is just as bad. They're all a bunch of self serving cunts.
I don't recall any stories about the dems shutting down the government when Bush was in office.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 1:51 pm
(October 28, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: Because that is entirely false equivocation. Government doesn't just exist to serve as a lightening rod for people's anger and elections aren't opportunities for expressing your most ardent desires. Politics should be the art of compromise not blood sport.
All I see is Obama trying to compromise, and the republicans refusing anyway. When he first got in, the dems had a super majority, but obama still tried giving some concessions. Not to mention his supreme court pick was a centrist, and they don't care. Hillary says she looks forward to working with repubs, because she's basically a moderate republican. I'm not sure how you can say the dems have been as bad as the repubs for the past eight years when it coms to failure to compromise.
Yeah, I was agreeing with your criticism of Cato's post.
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RE: Republican obstruction continues
October 28, 2016 at 1:53 pm
(October 28, 2016 at 1:51 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (October 28, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: All I see is Obama trying to compromise, and the republicans refusing anyway. When he first got in, the dems had a super majority, but obama still tried giving some concessions. Not to mention his supreme court pick was a centrist, and they don't care. Hillary says she looks forward to working with repubs, because she's basically a moderate republican. I'm not sure how you can say the dems have been as bad as the repubs for the past eight years when it coms to failure to compromise.
Yeah, I was agreeing with your criticism of Cato's post.
I may have misinterpreted that, then. Oops.
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