(January 31, 2017 at 2:38 am)Tiberius Wrote: You keep assuming the visa was approved in 2015. I'm telling you that it's more likely that their petition was approved then. Read the article, they went to Jordan for interviews and medical examinations in December 2016. I can tell you that the interviews / medical examination happens *before* the visa is approved.

The only propaganda here is the misinformation you are trying to pass off as fact.

I was responding to this line in your post:  "In late 2015 they were finally approved to enter the United States on an F-4 visa for brothers and sisters of US citizens."

That implies that they had the visas in hand.  The article states that they only received the actual visas in December 2016 after 10 days in Jordan.  But that brings up another problem.  Despite the fighting in Syria they were able to stay safe and healthy and have money and means of travel and very reliable communications and freedom to zip in and out of Jordan and then all across the Middle East without any trouble.

The story is skimpy on the timeline but here's what I get:

1.  They begin the F-4 visa process in 2003

2.  In late 2015 they were approved for F-4 visas

3.  They take a 10-day trip to Jordan in late December 2016  to finalize the paperwork, do the immigration interviews, and get medical exams.

4.  They then leave Jordan (date unknown).  They might have gone back to Syria or gone directly to Beirut by plane.

5.  Then then catch a flight out of Beirut to Doha, Qatar, about 1,130 miles.

6.  Once in Doha it's on to Philadelphia.

7.  They arrive in Philly and are detained and put on the next flight out back to Doha.

The article does say that in 2013 one relative did make the trip and in December 2016 a sister and her daughter made the trip. 

Now to me that seems like an unique tale for being in a war zone.  There has to be a heck of a lot more to it than what's in the article.  There's no way ordinary Syrians can do that in today's environment.

Since Trump and his ilk have walked back their position on green card holders, maybe it's fair to assume that at the beginning they weren't aware what green card holders were.

Boru

(January 31, 2017 at 6:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Trump and his ilk have walked back their position on green  card holders, maybe it's fair to assume that at the beginning they weren't aware what green card holders were.

Boru

They haven't really though. Homeland Gestapo can still mass revoke green cards on a whim. It's the Nazi playbook, go big and flashy to put fear into both targets and bystanders early on, so as to make it easier to carry out the real Aktion six months down the line.

(January 31, 2017 at 6:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Trump and his ilk have walked back their position on green  card holders, maybe it's fair to assume that at the beginning they weren't aware what green card holders were.

Boru

I'd be surprised if he knows what a card is.

(January 30, 2017 at 9:43 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: As usual people are getting hysterical due to the media pushing a narrative to get everyone's panties in a bunch, and it continues to work. It's not a Muslim ban, it's a ban on citizens of certain nations of concern that were named back in 2015. These are nations that are at war currently. Christians from those nations are banned as well and it's just a temporary ban until better vetting mesasures are put in place. Even ISIS talks about in their publications aligning with American leftists who are against Zionism to unite in the fight. It's why you see the left sympathizing with Islam, almost like they are getting pimped out. The women's march which was almost led by some Muslims in a show of solidarity was pretty humerous. Women wearing Muslims hajibs to show solidarity.

Yeah it's all the evil media(except when fox dies it) and not the real life heart breaking stories of innocent US residence being treated like wanted criminals. And has nothing at to do with Trumps regime all but admitting the dubious  origins of the laws revival. Yup that evil media I can see why you people want to get rid of it and replace it with "Alternative facts".

(January 31, 2017 at 6:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Trump and his ilk have walked back their position on green  card holders, maybe it's fair to assume that at the beginning they weren't aware what green card holders were.

Boru

Ok, so I read that objections were raised against this very specific issue, and that BANNON said go ahead and push it through as is.  So they were very aware of the Green Card holder situation that would arise. They were also asked to have a grace period between signing the EO, and it taking effect, so people abroad would have time to return home, to avoid the very thing we saw happening at airports.  But no, they put it through with known flaws.

Why they let it go through when they knew they would probably have to go back on parts of it is the real question.

(January 31, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Aroura Wrote: Why they let it go through when they knew they would probably have to go back on parts of it is the real question.

Because they were floating a trial balloon, administering a loyalty test, and distracting the public from the coup d'etat on the National Security Council, all at the same time.

Personally, I think all of the people underestimating the administration are being foolish. Watch what's happening while these distractions are going on.

(January 31, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Aroura Wrote: Why they let it go through when they knew they would probably have to go back on parts of it is the real question.

Because they were floating a trial balloon, administering a loyalty test, and distracting the public from the coup d'etat on the National Security Council, all at the same time.

Personally, I think all of the people underestimating the administration are being foolish. Watch what's happening while these distractions are going on.

This. This administration is a LOT more clever than what we're giving them credit for. We are falling for the "look over there" gambit hook, line, and sinker. People getting worked up for good reason about the Muslim Ban, meanwhile he is gutting the AG's office and kicking the Director of National Intelligence and the fucking JCS off of the National Security Counsel and installing the CEO of a right wing Nationalism rag to the Principals Committee.

To repeat: the CEO of Breitbart is the leading member of the leading council of our National Security Counsel, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the civilian in charge of the military) can attend when invited.

The ban on Muslim immigrants is extremely important, but this is much, much bigger.

(January 31, 2017 at 1:39 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Because they were floating a trial balloon, administering a loyalty test, and distracting the public from the coup d'etat on the National Security Council, all at the same time.

Personally, I think all of the people underestimating the administration are being foolish.  Watch what's happening while these distractions are going on.

This. This administration is a LOT more clever than what we're giving them credit for. We are falling for the "look over there" gambit hook, line, and sinker. People getting worked up for good reason about the Muslim Ban, meanwhile he is gutting the AG's office and kicking the Director of National Intelligence and the fucking JCS off of the National Security Counsel and installing the CEO of a right wing Nationalism rag to the Principals Committee.

To repeat: the CEO of Breitbart is the leading member of the leading council of our National Security Counsel, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the civilian in charge of the military) can attend when invited.

The ban on Muslim immigrants is extremely important, but this is much, much bigger.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a military General.  The position rotates between the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_o...s_of_Staff

(January 31, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 1:39 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: This. This administration is a LOT more clever than what we're giving them credit for. We are falling for the "look over there" gambit hook, line, and sinker. People getting worked up for good reason about the Muslim Ban, meanwhile he is gutting the AG's office and kicking the Director of National Intelligence and the fucking JCS off of the National Security Counsel and installing the CEO of a right wing Nationalism rag to the Principals Committee.

To repeat: the CEO of Breitbart is the leading member of the leading council of our National Security Counsel, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the civilian in charge of the military) can attend when invited.

The ban on Muslim immigrants is extremely important, but this is much, much bigger.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a military General.  The position rotates between the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_o...s_of_Staff

You're right. I was thinking of SecDef as civilian. Got my wires crossed.