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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 9:19 am
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2011 at 9:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, Ace, sometimes he says something unintentionally brilliant...for example
"The atheist really has no basis for this assumption"
He is of course correct. In fact, there are a staggering amount of assumptions the atheist has no reason to make, by virtue of being an atheist. Amusingly,in an attempt to erode the position of atheism, he has stated its single greatest strength.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 9:28 am
Quote:"The atheist really has no basis for this assumption"
What assumption?
Quote:In fact, there are a staggering amount of assumptions the atheist has no reason to make
It doesn't matter what or how many. An atheist is simply one who lacks belief in god, everything else is up for debate.
For someone to fail to get atheism is someone who's trying to redefine it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 9:29 am
lol, I'm just quote mining him Ace. It's a slow morning.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 9:33 am
Ah.
Trust me mate, he'd confuse his arse from his head. For him to work out the functions of the cosmos is an impossible idea.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2011 at 4:53 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm)thebigfudge Wrote:
Yes senses are subjective by definition, that’s why a person must assume their senses are basically reliable before they can learn anything or make sense of the world around them. Sure they can make mistakes and be deceived, but if they were deceived all the time you could not learn anything right?
The same goes for memory, the things I remember doing and learning are for the most part accurate. If my memory was not basically reliable I could not learn anything about the world around me.
As for your previous point about morality being relative, I do not really accept this. I feel that moral relativism is a self-refuting position. Let me ask you a question, would you then say that people should not force their moral views onto other people?
I also do not believe you can make a case that the laws of logic arose from human understanding; I believe that they have to be absolute and universally applicable. Of course this could not be accounted for in a purely naturalistic or materialistic universe. So whenever an atheist attempts to reason or argue logically they have to assume the principles of the Christian worldview are true in order to do this which of course means they have lost the debate at the moment it begins.
Thanks for actually trying to discuss my points though, rather than just running from the issue and laughing it off like everyone else besides FNM has done. If it is such an easy point to refute then I am not sure why everyone seems so reluctant to even try. So kudos.
(June 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:
Well I would not call this nit picking FNM, you are trying to get at the heart of the matter and I appreciate it. Well I feel this is a bit different than a person having gaps in their scientific understanding. It is far more serious than that, it appears the atheist has gaps in their very epistemological foundation, which is not a good thing at all. It violates the principle of sufficient reason just to say, “Well I cannot justify my assumptions in my worldview but I use them anyways.” Christians are always criticized when they use this sort of reasoning, why would it be ok for atheists to use it with their very foundations? If you can’t give a justification for the laws of logic given your worldview, then why use them? Thanks for actually taking part in the discussion!
(June 30, 2011 at 9:19 am)Rhythm Wrote:
Violating the principle of sufficient reason and holding to assumptions that cannot be justified by a person’s worldview is not strength but rather a fatal flaw.
(June 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: The assumption at this point is not whether he's lying or not, but simply what he's lying about.
You have any actual evidence that I am lying?
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 4:57 pm
words and words and words and words.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 4:59 pm
And some occasional punctuation to give it proper dramatic flair.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:02 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 4:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: words and words and words and words.
Still not addressing the argument I see? This is becoming too easy, easiest way to win a debate is to have your argument stand un-addressed and therefore un-refuted.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Still not addressing the argument I see? This is becoming too easy, easiest way to win a debate is to have your argument stand un-addressed and therefore un-refuted.
Have you ever wondered if people simply get tired of debating you because of your wacky assertions and the way you dodge their own points? You have reinvented the strawman and are so good at evasion that I think you must be a politician.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:10 pm
He's too young yet. A lobbyist!
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