The Argument against Islam is very Simple:

1. The founder was a sex slave owning murderer, rapist and pedophile. Don't revere that.

(March 21, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Would I have to eat a hamster? Or insert a gerbil into my person somewhere?

I've no objection to snorting a couple of lines off the upper torso of an obliging lady of negotiable affection, and reading about it later in the NME.

Nah, man...This is the South.
All you need to is to be polite, make yourself useful on occasion, and like fried food.

If you can pull those things off, the accent WILL put you over the top; Guaranteed. They'll love it.
You'll never want for lady-company.

(March 21, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Would I have to eat a hamster? .

MOST DEFINITELY NOT.

Oh wait.... a hamster not the hamster.

Sure, go ahead. Just make sure the little rodent bugger consents to being eaten alive and you've got yourself a hobby almost as fun as slapping William Lane Craig in the mouth with a wet flannel and calling him a fish-mouthed bug-eyed ontological tease.

Made it to argument one before running into an entirely untrue statement. Islam relies entirely on a man telling you it's all true and people just believing him. Muhammad. If you don't believe that man, then you don't believe Islam. I consider Muhammad a very very skeptical source.

(March 21, 2017 at 7:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. You can rely on the sufficient for guidance (God), or you can rely on people claiming that they should or can be followed.
2. The problem with relying on other then God is that you cannot know who is guided unless God manifests them with clear proof, and hence, cannot know who should be followed.
3. The leaders he wants us to follow and who makes representatives of his religion are his chosen ones.
4. God gives clear guidance with respect to the affair of his chosen ones.
5. The ones he associates together in a mission, also happen to be the closest one's to each other, and they are "family" in ways normal blood relatives or wives related to them are not.
6. Holy Ladies like Sarah and Mariam although don't take on the position were they should be taken as ruler by all humanity, are examples and signs of God and are part of the holy family that God has chosen for guidance. They are to emphasize that the path is meant for both men and women equally, although, the man and woman are not alike though people want them to be very similar in this century.
7. God has sacred numbers for the spiritual way the universe operates, whether it be 19 Angels on the Hell, the 6 days before the throne, the 7 veils, the 7 earths and 7 heavens, the summary of dim light in the night, bright light in the night, and really bright so mush so it's manifest bright day in 3, etc, and the sacred number for Captains of the covenant who steer the boat that is "by the name of God" in it's steering and anchoring, is 12, just as the months with God are Twelve the day he created the heavens and the earth, four of them being sacred, this being the upright religion.
8. God is consistent with his sacred numbers and has wisdom in them.
9. God is very clean in providing proof consistently and demonstrates by his way of the past, to the present and future.
10. The number of Salahs, the number of Rukus, and Sujoods, in both day and night, and in each Salah, and combined, all have sacred value in Quran but are not explicitly stated. Thus we need the "Sunnah" to explicit explain us the Quran and give us the explicit directions. The words to be stated in Salah are also complimentary to Quran and have wisdom in Quran. Everything is found in Quran but we don't preceive everything. The same is true of the names of the Imams in Quran. The same is true of all the rites of Hajj. etc, etc..... Quran contains everything and manifests the wisdom of it, but not explicitly. The complimentary nature of the Sunnah is hence needed.
11. We can listen to all sorts of people babble about the Quran but at the end, it's the family of the reminder who God wants us to seek knowledge from and directed humanity to ask when we do not know as all those sent before Mohammad were men who he revealed revelation to, and made the means towards him, and who were explainer of the revelation revealed to their hearts.
12. As God leaves a legacy of knowledge through the family of the reminder, we are to seek light from their words, and not rely on others to explain to us the Quran, though we may council one another about the ahadiths and Quran, we need to come thirsty to the family of the reminder like we come thirsty to Quran. Together, they will connect us to God and Salah cannot be established without this realization. 
13. Innovations are not to be followed but rather all practices relating to the sacred have to have proof from either a legacy of news from God or by knowledge. There has to be traces of knowledge to rely on, and not conjecture.
14. God is the True King and Master in all this, and sufficient is God as a Guide.

Argument against Islam is 1000 times simpler: it is bullshit.

(March 21, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Would I have to eat a hamster? Or insert a gerbil into my person somewhere?

I've no objection to snorting a couple of lines off the upper torso of an obliging lady of negotiable affection, and reading about it later in the NME.

Snort off the ladies all you want, but leave the hamsters out of this!

(March 21, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Crunchy Wrote: The Argument against Islam is very Simple:

1. The founder was a sex slave owning murderer, rapist and pedophile.  Don't revere that.

Actually the "founder" is as phony as a $3 bill.  What that means of course is that the slave-owning, murdering, raping, pedophiles who invented him wanted someone after their own hearts!

Something to think about when dealing with barbaric religions.

(March 21, 2017 at 10:05 am)Redoubtable Wrote: It really is simple!

Illiterate Arabs with no education or knowledge of how the world works got suckered into believing a totalitarian fairy tale peddled by a merchant warlord who resorted to violence when his lackluster religion failed to convince anyone but the simple-minded. Take away the terror that Islam inspires in its own believers and it collapses like a house of cards. It is a religion so fragile that it needs to exterminate not only its external critics, but its internal doubters in order to survive; its ideas are that lame and crippled.

Eating people alive was one of the habits Mohammed's society did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Utbah

Also, they practiced organized torture against any difference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...by_Meccans

You're picturing it as if ancient Mecca was a paradise of knowledge, and then Muslims came and ruined it all.
Yes; the first Muslims were:
1-Arabs
2-Illiterate

But the Ottomans weren't Arabs, nor illiterate.





Illiterate.

Ever heard of Andalus?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus

What brought down the walls of Constantinople? ignorance??

O beautiful One (Al-Hussain)
Foreseen through heart's ears,
Seeing the revelation as it's meant to be,
You knew the light of Islam the world would not see,
They would know things like we cannot drink beer,
But not the justice, peace, and enlightenment meant for all humanity,
They would know we are to eat halal,
Not eat pork and that our women must wear the Hijaab,
That we aren't allowed to dance and have a ball,
But not understand the reasons at all,
You knew you were most probably our last chance,
That if none of the nine leaders from your offspring were supported as they are meant to be supported,
The connection would not be established,
The vision of Quran distorted,
It's pages urinated by dark magic on the hearts,
Spoken and recited east and west,
The world would never know,
The justice that was best,
Had you only been loved,
Accepted and recognized,
You saw the light of Islam fading,
As you were killed,
You took a risk,
In hope to stop this tragedy,
You saw it all, the chaos,
The likes of Trump coming to power,
The sanctions, the new world order
You knew the Illuminati very well,
The killers of the Prophets of old,
It's no conspiracy theory to me,
I will either die young or see a long life unfold,
Or something between that who knows?
My help I promise,
You once said "Is there a helper who can help us!".
I am at your service,
So empower my sword of my soul, 
With rains from your sword,
And write words on it, that open thousand of the other words,
And help me help you,
And your great grandson,
Save this world from the darkness that the dark one wishes to unleash to humanity,
Help me be a helper of the book,
That will usher hope, be a mercy, and be the cure!
At your service O Forever King and Leader, O beautiful One, O Hussain!

(March 21, 2017 at 5:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(March 21, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Crunchy Wrote: The Argument against Islam is very Simple:

1. The founder was a sex slave owning murderer, rapist and pedophile.  Don't revere that.

Actually the "founder" is as phony as a $3 bill.  What that means of course is that the slave-owning, murdering, raping, pedophiles who invented him wanted someone after their own hearts!

Something to think about when dealing with barbaric religions.

Or maybe that an actual leader arose from that community. It's not much of a stretch.
Many barbaric cults were actually founded by actual founders. The historical consensus is that Muhammad was a real guy regardless of any fashionable theories to the contrary. 

However, when evaluating a religion this is irrelevant as all that matters are the writings the believers revere as there is nothing else to go on. Arguing with believers that their guy was probably not real gets you nowhere as the holy texts are most certainly real.
Christianity is what it is regardless of whether or not Jesus actually existed. So, whether the words sprang from someone named Muhammad, or from some other guy(s), the outcome is the same.