(March 24, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: That makes no sense. There's nothing about not believing in an imaginary guy in the sky that causes a person to kill someone.

(March 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(March 24, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: That makes no sense. There's nothing about not believing in an imaginary guy in the sky that causes a person to kill someone.

I doubt that statement is true.

Although I tend to agree that I don't think it's accurate to say someone has killed someone because of atheism.

Maybe I'm wrong about that but I don't see how not believing in god could be the root cause of someone murdering someone else.

Not because of reasons of atheists being morally superior necesserily but just because of the logical implications.

(March 24, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: That makes no sense. There's nothing about not believing in an imaginary guy in the sky that causes a person to kill someone.

I meant possibility, not what currently is the case. Either way, it doesn't matter since what is "possible" doesn't necessarily apply to how things are.

Logically possible, yes.

Actually possible, no.

(March 24, 2017 at 7:18 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Didn't the Shakers non fuck themselves out of existence?

There are two left.

Quote:On January 2, 2017, Sister Frances Carr died aged 89 at the Sabbathday community, leaving only two remaining Shakers: Brother Arnold Hadd, age 58 and Sister June Carpenter, 77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

(March 24, 2017 at 2:33 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: If religion is used to justify violence, then it can be deadly.

I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

(March 25, 2017 at 10:55 am)Isis Wrote:

(March 24, 2017 at 2:33 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: If religion is used to justify violence, then it can be deadly.

I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

Religious ideas can lead to violent behaviour though. If you have faith in a god that rewards certain types of violence with eternal bliss, it is the religion itself that instills such sadistic attitudes into its followers. One can personally justify any action based on faith and utmost conviction, and that's a danger brought by religion itself.

(March 24, 2017 at 8:15 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(March 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

I doubt that statement is true.

The scare quotes are there for a reason, ya know.

Many may have been stoned to death by an atheist but absolutely no one has ever been 'stoned to death' by an atheist.

I think you don't understand the whole purpose of the scare quotes.

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(March 25, 2017 at 10:55 am)Isis Wrote:

(March 24, 2017 at 2:33 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: If religion is used to justify violence, then it can be deadly.

I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

It's the other way around when the motive for killing is the religious ideas.

(March 25, 2017 at 1:19 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(March 24, 2017 at 8:15 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I doubt that statement is true.

The scare quotes are there for a reason, ya know.

Many may have been stoned to death by an atheist but absolutely no one has ever been 'stoned to death' by an atheist.

I think you don't understand the whole purpose of the scare quotes.

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(March 25, 2017 at 10:55 am)Isis Wrote: I suppose you are correct in a way, but you could argue that it is the person committing the violent or terrorist act that is deadly not religious ideas themselves, no?

It's the other way around when the motive for killing is the religious ideas.

Yeh I still don't understand how scare quotes make that statement any more correct.

I rest my case.