(April 14, 2017 at 4:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: ^hatred is not a bad thing, you hate me because I hate people who hate or don't care for God.

What you can't see is the evil of insincerity towards the being that deserves the most love and appreciation, who come from and go back, and who we are linked to.

One of the reasons and problems I had with Islam when I was non-Muslim was hell for those who disbelieve, I even wrote this poem:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-13909.html

But the balance is to come towards recognize the one who loves his friends his affection for them doesn't prevent him from punishing his enemies. That is the Glorious Majesty I come to realize is the Just balanced light that we are all connected to.

What? Hatred is not a bad thing? How do you even utter that? And I don't hate you. I pity you. You and your correligionists are not stalwart enough to stand in front of a human being. In my face you would run in fear, if you didn't have a knife/bomb/gun. It is the measure of your faith.

I, on the other hand, do not live in dread, nor am afraid of you and your fanatic friends. Go away, your preaching is boresome. I know plenty of muslims and the are not the extremists that you make you and your religion to be.

I can stand 2 feet from you unarmed, you bring whatever weapon you wish, it makes your flaccid god even more.

I can only hope muslims finally get in touch with civilization one day. This sorry fuck is nothing but the archetype of delusion. Be gone.

Hatred is not bad when it's applied properly. When we are unbalanced, what we love the most is our biggest evil when it unbalances us to love what we should hate and hate what we should love.

Loving the channel of God's love to humanity (Jesus I believe was such a channel) is the means to truly loving God and people as they should where it's appropriate and hating where it's appropriate.

They are the balance we are meant to keep and measure by in our love and hatred.

If you want to play authority on morality you would need a book from the divine, or your mere wish and caprice of what morality ought to be, doesn't effect me.

MK has a different style of writing and maybe sometimes isn't as good at expressing himself.

I don't think he means all atheists will go to hell. I think he means if you are atheist but you nonetheless genuinely seek truth to the best of your understanding, and you love goodness and love, you will not go to hell.

Happy Easter, dude.
May you come to the realization that not believing in god stems from not believing in the tales that people tell about said god.
It has little to do with being insincere or rebellious.
And much to do with not ignoring the clear divergence between the observed reality and the tales.

(April 14, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: MK has a different style of writing and maybe sometimes isn't as good at expressing himself.

I don't think he means all atheists will go to hell. I think he means if you are atheist but you nonetheless genuinely seek truth to the best of your understanding, and you love goodness and love, you will not go to hell.

I did mean exactly this. Thanks for clarifying, but I also mean by love of goodness and love, it's true nature, not what merely desire it to be. If they genuinely seek to know it's true nature and love to find that, they are believers per definition of Quran, for they are in state of submission and peace with the truth, and would accept whatever signs they come across.

Some people have said things if they come to know God exists, they would still not Worship or submit to it even he sends Messengers, and even if they know the Messengers are the truth. And some people praised those people saying that.

So I don't really know what to make of that, maybe they are just playing devil's advocate, but play devil's advocate too long, and you might become his advocate!

(April 14, 2017 at 3:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Many Atheists may be searching God and the truth here, I can't say they will be in hell. But if they hate the truth or don't care for it and oppose it, then they deserve what they deserve. If they hate the true nature of love and goodness as it truly is and it's reality, then they deserve what they deserve.

Whoa....Don't get your panties in a wad, MK! Jesus Cottontail is all 'bout that Love and Understanding.

Now, have some fucking ham.

(April 14, 2017 at 4:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: MK has a different style of writing and maybe sometimes isn't as good at expressing himself.

I don't think he means all atheists will go to hell. I think he means if you are atheist but you nonetheless genuinely seek truth to the best of your understanding, and you love goodness and love, you will not go to hell.

I did mean exactly this. Thanks for clarifying, but I also mean by love of goodness and love, it's true nature, not what merely desire it to be. If they genuinely seek to know it's true nature and love to find that, they are believers per definition of Quran, for they are in state of submission and peace with the truth, and would accept whatever signs they come across.

Some people have said things if they come to know God exists, they would still not Worship or submit to it even he sends Messengers, and even if they know the Messengers are the truth. And some people praised those people saying that.

So I don't really know what to make of that, maybe they are just playing devil's advocate, but play devil's advocate too long, and you might become his advocate!

I have seen ppl say that, but I don't dismiss them as people who will go to hell. I see it as them having the wrong perception of God, if He were to exist. I truly think that when they finally see that God is real in the afterlife, and they finally see and understand that God truly is the embodiment of goodness and love, that they will want to praise Him.

(April 14, 2017 at 4:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Hatred is not bad when it's applied properly.

I suppose you are entitled to apply your hatred and deem it properly applied.... *nods head*

I pity you. I pity myself for living in a world where you utter that as it would be wisdom. L'sigh.

You speak of love, you speak of understanding, you speak of truth... I think you don't know what those words mean.

(April 14, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(April 14, 2017 at 4:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I did mean exactly this. Thanks for clarifying, but I also mean by love of goodness and love, it's true nature, not what merely desire it to be. If they genuinely seek to know it's true nature and love to find that, they are believers per definition of Quran, for they are in state of submission and peace with the truth, and would accept whatever signs they come across.

Some people have said things if they come to know God exists, they would still not Worship or submit to it even he sends Messengers, and even if they know the Messengers are the truth. And some people praised those people saying that.

So I don't really know what to make of that, maybe they are just playing devil's advocate, but play devil's advocate too long, and you might become his advocate!

I have seen ppl say that, but I don't dismiss them as people who will go to hell. I see it as them having the wrong perception of God, if He were to exist. I truly think that when they finally see that God is real in the afterlife, and they finally see and understand that God truly is the embodiment of goodness and love, that they will want to praise Him.

Praise of God is the sweetest and best reward in heaven, for it's the best form of love.

May God make us one of those people who will praise him in this world and the next, through his name/face (of which Jesus I believe was a channel of and instance of).

Happy Easter and may God hasten through the prayers and efforts of believers the day when Jesus returns!