(June 12, 2017 at 8:10 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: As a matter of fact, a production of the same play, set in Obama's tenure was staged.

Delta Airlines, oddly enough, didn't see fit to pull it's support from that production.

Obama was about as authoritarian as Mr. Rogers lol

Well it's a good thing I wasn't making that point then!

(June 12, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 8:10 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: Obama was about as authoritarian as Mr. Rogers lol

Well it's a good thing I wasn't making that point then!

I  was commenting on out of corrupt, out of control leadership being what apparently both plays and Julius Caesar was about. Not that I've ever been much for Shakespeare.

(June 12, 2017 at 9:55 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Well it's a good thing I wasn't making that point then!

I  was commenting on out of corrupt, out of control leadership being what apparently both plays and Julius Caesar was about. Not that I've ever been much for Shakespeare.

And, as I mentioned before, Coriolanus might have actually been a better fit, since, while Julius Caesar was about trying to kill him before it got out of control (remember, he thrice refused the crown before deciding to be crowned in the play, and in real life, he had only held the dictator perpetuo title for a month and a half at most, before he really had much of a chance to bollocks everything up) and still remains sympathetic, Coriolanus spends the whole play being out of control and openly detesting the people he leads and paying dearly for it.



Perhaps a version of Julius Caesar worked well with Obama, a popular leader who was known to do some morally and legally questionable things (drone strikes, for instance) in America's name, but Trump's clearly Caius Marcius Coriolanus.

(June 12, 2017 at 10:13 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 9:55 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: I  was commenting on out of corrupt, out of control leadership being what apparently both plays and Julius Caesar was about. Not that I've ever been much for Shakespeare.

And, as I mentioned before, Coriolanus might have actually been a better fit, since, while Julius Caesar was about trying to kill him before it got out of control (remember, he thrice refused the crown before deciding to be crowned in the play, and in real life, he had only held the dictator perpetuo title for a month and a half at most, before he really had much of a chance to bollocks everything up) and still remains sympathetic, Coriolanus spends the whole play being out of control and openly detesting the people he leads and paying dearly for it.



Perhaps a version of Julius Caesar worked well with Obama, a popular leader who was known to do some morally and legally questionable things (drone strikes, for instance) in America's name, but Trump's clearly Caius Marcius Coriolanus.

Fair point about the drone strikes.
They killed way more innocent civilians than terrorists.

If he had anything to do with the use of depleted uranium shells (radioactive, cause birth defects) that would be worse in my opinion.
That could have been a tactical decision made by military brass.

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To be fair, I honestly get the impression that, by this point, casual human rights abuses like that are part and parcel of being the Commander-in-Chief of the biggest military power on Earth (seriously, America spends more on its military per year than all but 20 countries even have.)

(June 12, 2017 at 10:27 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be fair, I honestly get the impression that, by this point, casual human rights abuses like that are part and parcel of being President.

The really bad thing is those depleted uranium shells were made to penetrate heavily armored tanks, of which ISIS had none.

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(June 12, 2017 at 10:30 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 10:27 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be fair, I honestly get the impression that, by this point, casual human rights abuses like that are part and parcel of being President.

The really bad thing is those depleted uranium shells were made to penetrate heavily armored tanks, of which ISIS had none.

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So, America completely failed to understand how their terrorist foes actually worked and consequently completely fucked up the job of trying to defeat them. What else is new?

(June 12, 2017 at 10:37 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 12, 2017 at 10:30 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: The really bad thing is those depleted uranium shells were made to penetrate heavily armored tanks, of which ISIS had none.

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So, America completely failed to understand how their terrorist foes actually worked and consequently completely fucked up the job of trying to defeat them. What else is new?

It would have been nice for the US and the UK to keep their dicks out of the ME, after WW2. How much different would it be, today? Hard to say.