Our current VPOTUS is a Dominionist.

(June 14, 2017 at 9:10 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 6:51 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

So does the words "in God we trust", which is clearly printed on our money and in some cases, on police vehicles in certain towns/states.
So does the words "one nation under God", which is clearly said in our pledge of allegiance.

A lot of things go against our constitution. Doesn't stop them from happening though.

Things like "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" are just expressions ? Only implications ? Emotions ? No constitutional laws are broken by expressing your opinion or by using them on your paper money or teacups. The US Church, their priests and all the magicians coming out of the Churches have NO political power in the US.

(June 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Omnisofos Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 9:10 am)Nymphadora Wrote: So does the words "in God we trust", which is clearly printed on our money and in some cases, on police vehicles in certain towns/states.
So does the words "one nation under God", which is clearly said in our pledge of allegiance.

A lot of things go against our constitution. Doesn't stop them from happening though.

Things like "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" are just expressions ? Only implications ? Emotions ? No constitutional laws are broken by expressing your opinion or by using them on your paper money or teacups. The US Church, their priests and all the magicians coming out of the Churches have NO political power in the US.

Bolded mine.  

That is breathtakingly ignorant.

(June 14, 2017 at 7:05 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think it depends on where people live as to their attitude.

I live and work around mainly Pakistani Muslims.  So obviously I've seen the best and worst of that culture, while where I live Christian culture doesn't exist much beyond a few chavs who get a Jesus tattoo even though the bible says not to get tattoos.  And there's the odd church.

The Christians where I live just don't stay indoctrinated much beyond the age of around 10.  Whereas even teenagers, usually the most rebellious age group, stay fairly well indoctrinated in Islamic, Pakistani communities. Just thinking about it now, I don't think I've met an atheist or even slightly doubtful Pakistani, Indian or Bengali before in my life.

Where I work the Muslims believe in the death penalty for homosexuality. There's no hostility by them towards homosexuals in the work place, they just believe that the correct punishment is death in an ideal society. There's been the child grooming/gang rape cases all over the UK involving pakistani gangs.  And there's been a fair bit of violence towards people of other races and religions who aren't Pakistani or Muslim.  That seems to have calmed down now over the years, at least in my area.

But I do probably live in a specific type of area in the UK.  There's probably other people who live in the UK on here who might not even see many Muslims on a day to day basis. 

But that's just where I live. I'd be willing to bet that there's crazy violent Christians elsewhere.  I've seen documentaries about America's more religious areas and I'll bet it can be rough living as an atheist there.

So me living in this part of the north west in the UK, and you living in the part of Amsterdam you live in, we might both have valid worries about Islam.  But to an American or someone who lives perhaps in the countryside in the UK, these worries will seem irrelevant to their life.

I understand your argument and your absolutely right. It all depends on where you live and what you know / have experienced. If look at the people living in the countryside (we do still have some space in our tiny country), they have much more positive outlook on Muslims, but they are not confronted with them on a daily basis. 

The fact you are working with Muslims who have those absurd ideas in their head about gays or women (or children, animals, other religions, abortion, euthanasia...I can go on all night...) makes me sad. UK companies hiring UK Muslim citizens with those extreme ideas and trust them 100%. Ever read something about Taqiyya in the Quran ? Google it.....This is what I believe is going on with "Modern Muslims in the West". No not ALL of them. But also not 1-3% of all Muslims as our leftwing mass media here is trying to sell us every bloody day. Your government confirmed there are 23000+ Jihadis in the UK. I believe this figure is much, much higher. Our societies are being slowly changed into partly Islamic societies. Look at Sweden....look at some cities in the UK.....Islam has found a good way to destroy our Religion / State segregation by using "Freedom of Religion" for every argument. And our left-social governments listens to them and just keep on providing. Smart. Clever. It is cultural suicide.
I believe we will have monthly to weekly Islamic attacks on civilians within 5-10 years in Western Europe and also I wonder if, by than, the majority of Western world still regard Islam as a religion.

The US is to big to feel or notice it. US atheists seem to be more focused on Christianity anyway.

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(June 14, 2017 at 10:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Things like "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" are just expressions ? Only implications ? Emotions ? No constitutional laws are broken by expressing your opinion or by using them on your paper money or teacups. The US Church, their priests and all the magicians coming out of the Churches have NO political power in the US.

Bolded mine.  

That is breathtakingly ignorant.

At least I took your breath away. Was an ignorant remark most probably, but use some arguments for this non-US citizen. The US Church receives tax money from US government ? Can the US Church make new laws ?  Of course there are Christian politicians, but that's not the point.

(June 14, 2017 at 6:51 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

Oh my.  You need to get out more.

(June 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Omnisofos Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 9:10 am)Nymphadora Wrote: So does the words "in God we trust", which is clearly printed on our money and in some cases, on police vehicles in certain towns/states.
So does the words "one nation under God", which is clearly said in our pledge of allegiance.

A lot of things go against our constitution. Doesn't stop them from happening though.

Things like "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" are just expressions ? Only implications ? Emotions ? No constitutional laws are broken by expressing your opinion or by using them on your paper money or teacups. The US Church, their priests and all the magicians coming out of the Churches have NO political power in the US.

Allow me to educate you since you don't actually live in the United States and don't understand how things work here. The United States of America is a Secular-based country. It was NOT founded on christian beliefs. Having said that - There is no US Church, so we're gonna get that resolved and out of the way. 

Second of all those religious phrases are not just expressions. They are not only implications or emotions. The one is written on every piece of our currency. Go read up on how that happened. Educate yourself, please.

If I want to spend United States coin and paper money, I am being forced to accept that term against my will. Could I write a check? Sure. Could I use a credit card? Sure. But why should I have to do that when this country has an established monetary system. My credit card transactions can be tracked at any given time by the government. A check creates a paper trail that is unnecessary. Cash is untraceable. The government does not need to know what I do with my hard earned money. 

If I don't want a checking account, it is my right to not have one. It is also my right to not have to use interest bearing credit cards for any purchases I make. Putting a religious term on money that is coined from a secular government goes against everything this government was founded on and violates the constitutions own Separation of Church and State clause. So does putting religious mottos on police cars and government buildings, etc. 

And by the way, if you don't think the religious has their hand in our government - please look at our Secretary of Education Betsy DeVoss's stance on religion and education. Or how about or VP Pence's agenda for this country. After reading up on their bullshit, please come back here and tell me that religion isn't involved in the US politics and how they have zero power. 

For someone who doesn't live here, please don't assume to know things about this country that you obviously have zero working knowledge about.

BTW, considering Scriptures take on filthy lucre, the citations on the currency, IMO, are a slap in the face to the True Christians ®.

So, instead of foisting or fostering religion into governance, I'd say in actuality a secular government adopting, when convenient, a veneer of religiosity actually sullies religion, and does so perniciously in regards to it's negative effects on it.

(June 14, 2017 at 10:58 am)Omnisofos Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 9:10 am)Nymphadora Wrote: So does the words "in God we trust", which is clearly printed on our money and in some cases, on police vehicles in certain towns/states.
So does the words "one nation under God", which is clearly said in our pledge of allegiance.

A lot of things go against our constitution. Doesn't stop them from happening though.

Things like "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" are just expressions ? Only implications ? Emotions ? No constitutional laws are broken by expressing your opinion or by using them on your paper money or teacups. The US Church, their priests and all the magicians coming out of the Churches have NO political power in the US.

Actually, when both are enforced by the government, which the pledge was until 2001 or so, and which the coinage still is, they are clear violations of the Establishment clause.

And if you think religionistas have no political power in America, I'd suggest you have a bit of reading to do.

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(June 14, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: For someone who doesn't live here, please don't assume to know things about this country that you obviously have zero working knowledge about.

(June 14, 2017 at 6:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: BTW, considering Scriptures take on filthy lucre, the citations on the currency, IMO, are a slap in the face to the True Christians ®.

So, instead of foisting or fostering religion into governance, I'd say in actuality a secular government adopting, when convenient, a veneer of religiosity actually sullies religion, and does so perniciously in regards to it's negative effects on it.

Well....... you see they despise money so much that churches keep trying to collect as much of it as they can so that their members do not suffer "temptation!"

(June 14, 2017 at 6:51 am)Omnisofos Wrote: Impossible. It goes against US constitution.

Yes, but to them their little book of fables is far more important than the Constitution and the rights of everyone else.

The American Taliban is out there.