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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 12:48 am
(June 17, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (June 17, 2017 at 6:36 pm)thereverent1 Wrote: I sympathize with your situation. I think it is best to be honest with your children - tell them what you believe, and why, and let them make up their own minds. I am an atheist -- that is, someone who believes that God does not exist -- but who nonetheless believes that God is logically necessary. (Not psychologically, socially, or politically necessary - logically necessary.) My book "The Reverent Atheist" (available on Amazon) explains my thinking on this point.
There are many inspiring passages in the Bible, but the fact is that Jesus could not possibly have been the Messiah, that he could not possibly have been the Son of God, and that the Bible could not possibly be the word of God. Take those 3 claims away from Christianity and there really isn't much left. That's not to say that Islam or Mormonism or Hinduism or Judaism are any better - they're not. I deny the reality of all of the prophets - Isaiah, Jesus, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Bahaullah -- all of them. The "scriptures" of these many faiths do have their moments of inspiration, but they were all written by people, not by God. And the primary claim of fundamentalists of whatever faith is that their scriptures are the word of God and are therefore necessarily true. If you take that main assumption away they have to defend their moral stance on the basis of reason and experience, just like everyone else.
I don't disagree with anything you've written here but I'm curious about your religious views regarding the necessity of gods. Would like to know more about what you have in mind. Any chance you'd like to make a thread in which to introduce yourself? Welcome in advance. If I may, 'necessary' since God cannot have an explanation outside of himself.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 10:53 am
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(June 18, 2017 at 12:48 am)snowtracks Wrote: (June 17, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I don't disagree with anything you've written here but I'm curious about your religious views regarding the necessity of gods. Would like to know more about what you have in mind. Any chance you'd like to make a thread in which to introduce yourself? Welcome in advance. If I may, 'necessary' since God cannot have an explanation outside of himself.
But it's not at all necessary that 'he' have any explanation at all if nonexistent, the most likely state of affairs. Such a weird idea. If you didn't have it implanted from birth you'd never believe it.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 1:18 pm
(June 16, 2017 at 10:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Tell them the purpose of the universe.
The universe has no purpose, it just is. Your imaginary friendly beard in the sky doesn't exist. Get back to AIG, creatard.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm
Bits of it can serve our purposes, but it would be ass backwards to ask what purpose the universe might have.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm
(June 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Bits of it can serve our purposes, but it would be ass backwards to ask what purpose the universe might have.
The atheist credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 18, 2017 at 11:16 pm
(June 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (June 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Bits of it can serve our purposes, but it would be ass backwards to ask what purpose the universe might have.
The atheist credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
The dumbass apologist's credo: talk nonsense leading up to innuendo which puts your superstition in the best light possible.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 19, 2017 at 8:10 am
(June 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (June 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Bits of it can serve our purposes, but it would be ass backwards to ask what purpose the universe might have.
The atheist credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Either you don't know what "credo" means, or you don't know what atheists are.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 19, 2017 at 11:09 am
I also feel parents should always tell the truth about religious matters and on the same time make sure they have the absolute freedom to find out for themselves when they are older or get interested in religion and perhaps other fairytales.
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RE: I would like some advise
June 19, 2017 at 11:29 am
"To advise, you must be wise.
To get good advice is always nice." /pedant
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RE: I would like some advise
June 19, 2017 at 12:41 pm
(June 18, 2017 at 11:16 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (June 18, 2017 at 11:06 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The atheist credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
The dumbass apologist's credo: talk nonsense leading up to innuendo which puts your superstition in the best light possible.
The apologists' credo, redux: a universe which is to all measurable intents 100% inimical to life functions yet created especially for the existence of one species trapped in a fraction of one biosphere on one tiny ball of rock and iron.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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