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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 6:28 pm
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Quote:Everything is the Universe... well yes, as far as we can tell. There could be more than the Universe, but we can't tell, so better keep that in the realm of speculation.
So we already have two words to describe everything.... one is a bit vague - everything - the other is a bit more scientific - Universe.
Why would we latch on here a word that traditionally has a very different meaning?... like anything out of or beyond the Universe. The purpose of this can only be to confuse the matter and lead people into the slippery slope I mentioned above and which's failure can be spotted by any thinking mind.
You see, I simply used an encyclopedia to bring into attention some of the definitions of god that can be found there, and are clearly existent. In fact these definitions are not "traditional" they are widely believed in our time. Mostly in east. My personal belief is of this kind also.
Ahhh..... I see.
What sort of belief is one in which you believe in the existence of the Universe?
Why call it god?
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Again I did not want to prove that god exists or prove my belief is true.
You don't need to prove that the Universe exists. Unless one goes into solipsism which is a self-defeating proposition...
But I'm curious... what is the purpose of calling the Universe "god"?
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: I just wanted to inform people here that there are people who believe in a god whose existence cannot be negated.
You say that and I hear "People redefine the word "god" to become something that is self-evident and then believe that exists" woopitydoo!
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Also the "much much more argument" was not used. A definition of god which clearly states "god is identical with the universe" not "god includes universe" was used throughout the discussion.
I know, I know.
I just like to take the next step, because what you've said so far seems philosophical nonsense.
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Again I appreciate everyone's answer. People are starting to get angry with my posts I guess because they feel I'm dishonest, deceitful, etc. which is something I would rather prevent. So let's end the discussion here. Cheers.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 7:41 pm
(June 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Ok. I'm not intending to continue this further as I have no more points to make here. But I think I'm somehow responsible to respond to the posts that expect an answer from me. So I will answer the posts that require an answer. Hope that won't make you more upset.
So, no courage to your convictions then, eh? I figured as much. Your brand of bullshitters always want to throw meaningless assertions around, yet puss out when the time comes to back them up.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 8:02 pm
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(June 23, 2017 at 5:56 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (June 23, 2017 at 3:52 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: A common misunderstanding in a theist/atheists conversation is that the theist ones always intend to "convert" the atheist ones or vice-versa. This was never my intention. I'm not intending to prove to you that god exists or your should believe in god. I wanted to demonstrate that the proposition:
"I don't believe in any gods"
Is nonsensical from a logical perspective. Since when we investigate the word "god" we come across the cases where this proposition leads to clear fallacies.
I made the mistake of talking about my personal beliefs in several occasions which might have been mis-leading for some that I'm trying to justify my own belief, which is not the case. I'm sorry about that.
No I'm not intending to prove that. I'm sorry if my lack of focus on the main topic made you to believe that I'm intending to prove that. I actually think it's logically absurd to try to "prove" such a belief.
Not really. "I don't believe in any gods" doesn't mean "I disbelieve all possible definitions of god." It means somebody doesn't have any image or definition of "god" which they think represents fact.
If you say God is John Lennon, then I'd say I believe in God, but it's a pretty poor definition.
Saying "God is the Universe" is also a poor definition. You'd have to show that the Universe has at least some of the characteristics normally associated with God-- like consciousness, intent, etc. Otherwise, there's very little importance to the God idea, since we are perfectly happy living in, and studying scientifically, the Universe.
Pantheists -do- show that, or at least attempt to show that. This one is either not a pantheist™( that's my money, for what it's worth)...or is a really..really shitty pantheist.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 8:03 pm
I'm curious what the difference would be between pantheism and panpsychism.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 9:56 pm
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(June 23, 2017 at 5:04 am)nosferatu323 Wrote: Thanks for reading and sorry for any mistakes or inaccuracies in my use of the English language. Don't try and pull that one. The poxy syntax in your OP title is an act. There's fuckall wrong with your English.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 24, 2017 at 2:58 am
Usen't there be another poster on here that used very idiosyncratic interpretations of dictionary definitions to "prove" god? IIRC they were eventually banned.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 24, 2017 at 3:09 am
ProgrammingJordan? A nut job from the other extreme end...
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 24, 2017 at 3:30 am
(June 24, 2017 at 3:09 am)ignoramus Wrote: ProgrammingJordan? A nut job from the other extreme end...
Ah yes a douche who wasn't even entertaining.
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RE: A Question From Atheists
June 24, 2017 at 8:56 am
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(June 23, 2017 at 8:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm curious what the difference would be between pantheism and panpsychism.
If we're contrasting them against each other in a vacuum? Pantheism contends that the universe is a god, but does not necessarily contend that the universe (or anything in it) is conscious....whereas the other contends that consciousness is everywhere, in everything.
The two can be mixed and matched, like most beliefs, ofc.
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