(July 30, 2017 at 12:11 pm)Astonished Wrote: I think Hitchens put it best, we'll never stop them until they love death less than we love freedom. Too bad that concept of an afterlife is so pernicious...we have it too, largely, but it doesn't seem to cancel out how well theirs motivates them.

Freedom?

The same freedom, that the banks give you? or the medicine cartels,  or the weapon manufacturers?
Nobody is free today, to be honest it's more of a "their misery is my higher standard of living".

Kids die in China, to make all these tiny things for the wealthy people to use, African kids can't even find a proper pair of shoes, American kids are obese on sugar harvested by the poor in Brazil.

That's not freedom. That is the spoils of war.
The siege of the winners in WW2.

American children starve in America while the wealthy dine oblivious. Africa is a motherfucking continent with healthy economies and wartorn or impoverished regions. Nigeria alone can exhibit both extremes, complete with shoes.

Brazil is paralyzed by yet-another-corruption scandal, purely homegrown within the last ten years.

Wanna continue bitching, using some childish view of freedom and World War 2? You think you're so clever calling out hugely generic "problems" but you're really an idiot about it. Perhaps your singular cause of the problem (World War 2) is overly simplistic, under justified and wholly ignorant of every other event in history. Wouldn't that be something?

Quote:I think Hitchens put it best, we'll never stop them until they love death less than we love freedom.

I'm so sick of this "we love freedom" shit or Bush's parrot-like "sqwawk - they hate us for our freedom."  We don't give a shit about "freedom."  Not here, not anywhere.

(July 30, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: American children starve in America while the wealthy dine oblivious. Africa is a motherfucking continent with healthy economies and wartorn or impoverished regions. Nigeria alone can exhibit both extremes, complete with shoes.

Brazil is paralyzed by yet-another-corruption scandal, purely homegrown within the last ten years.

Wanna continue bitching, using some childish view of freedom and World War 2? You think you're so clever calling out hugely generic "problems" but you're really an idiot about it. Perhaps your singular cause of the problem (World War 2) is overly simplistic, under justified and wholly ignorant of every other event in history. Wouldn't that be something?

"Generic problems" ?
That's what you call hunger and poverty in Africa?

Let's speak about Egypt. No statistics; but real-time experience.
Food is disgusting. It is well-known that donkey meet is used by so many resturaunts. The capital is polluted beyond imagination. You can easily catch a sickness there.

Crime is so widespread. Being a blonde westerner there = rape. So the culture is pretty dead; too.






You can easily be kidnapped and raped there. You would also get robbed so easily.

The lower you go, Africa becomes even more dangerous.
Only the close to the governments get to eat well.

What the west is doing, is to win wars.

Pretty sure us Usaians were behind the Crusades, too.

(July 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I think Hitchens put it best, we'll never stop them until they love death less than we love freedom.

I'm so sick of this "we love freedom" shit or Bush's parrot-like "sqwawk - they hate us for our freedom."  We don't give a shit about "freedom."  Not here, not anywhere.

Not even just freedom from religion? I would think the entire world being free of delusional faith would clear up numerous other problems or at least cause a significant reduction.

We want stability and order and don't give a rat's ass what kind of sleazy fuck governments we support in order to get it.  It has gotten so bad that we now have a sleazy fuck government here.

(July 30, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We want stability and order and don't give a rat's ass what kind of sleazy fuck governments we support in order to get it.  It has gotten so bad that we now have a sleazy fuck government here.

Without supporting the bad performing governments out there, America would not have the long steps it has now.
Good offense is a good defense; and the control over the board requires support of any pieces even if they don't have the right colors.

But real life isn't chess; and supporting other governments can be as public as Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia, or as covert as Sykes-Picot treaty.
That dashing ability is not even imaginable without supporting dictators and terrorists.

It's more of a common sense to gain power on a scale that covers an empire. But there is always decline; gaining power the wrong way has fatal side effects.

Well if large populations weren't paralyzed into complacency with their zealotry (divine right of kings diluted to other forms of representation) it wouldn't be as easy to pull this kind of shit. It's certainly what got the hairpiece elected.

(July 30, 2017 at 2:34 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(July 30, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We want stability and order and don't give a rat's ass what kind of sleazy fuck governments we support in order to get it.  It has gotten so bad that we now have a sleazy fuck government here.

Without supporting the bad performing governments out there, America would not have the long steps it has now.
Good offense is a good defense; and the control over the board requires support of any pieces even if they don't have the right colors.

But real life isn't chess; and supporting other governments can be as public as Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia, or as covert as Sykes-Picot treaty.
That dashing ability is not even imaginable without supporting dictators and terrorists.

It's more of a common sense to gain power on a scale that covers an empire. But there is always decline; gaining power the wrong way has fatal side effects.

Don't get too uppity.

These fucking morons....



make tyranny popular.