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What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
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 (August 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm)edk141 Wrote:(August 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So you can't prove to a blind man that light exists? So what would you tell him when he ridicules you for believing in something you can't prove to him? Not what I asked, how can you prove light exists to someone who cannot see at all?  (August 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(August 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm)edk141 Wrote:(August 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So you can't prove to a blind man that light exists? So what would you tell him when he ridicules you for believing in something you can't prove to him? You missed the point of what he fucking said. RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
August 3, 2011 at 5:04 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2011 at 5:06 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(August 3, 2011 at 4:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Oh, you put out a TAG? If I ignored it, it was out of respect. Perhaps I would have responded differently had I known you were such a blowhard. Here's your TAG inverted. Out of respect? Sure, lol. You acted like I slapped you across the face when I presented the argument. Linking me to a TANG argument does nothing to support your position especially since Martin's version was already refuted years ago by Frame; I would like to see YOU actually address an argument sometime. (August 3, 2011 at 5:02 pm)Napoleon Wrote: Nope, I didn't. He dodged the question. Answer the question I asked please.  RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
August 3, 2011 at 5:08 pm
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(August 3, 2011 at 5:04 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Nope, I didn't. He dodged the question. Answer the question I asked please. Yes, you did. My point is that it is impossible to "prove" to me that ultraviolet exists by showing some to me, because it is impossible for any of my sensory organs to detect it. However, this doesn't make me believe that it doesn't exist. By the way, only a complete moron would miss a point that badly.  (August 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Not what I asked, how can you prove light exists to someone who cannot see at all? By carefully explaining it to them. Just because someone cannot perceive something does not mean they can't understand that it exists. I am colorblind and cannot see as many colors as you can, yet I am fully aware that colors exist outside of my perception.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(August 3, 2011 at 5:09 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:(August 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Not what I asked, how can you prove light exists to someone who cannot see at all? Ok, now we are getting somewhere, it always happens with you, so kudos. However, why do you beleive the colors you cannot see exist? Could you elaborate? (August 3, 2011 at 5:16 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Ok, now we are getting somewhere, it always happens with you, so kudos. However, why do you beleive the colors you cannot see exist? Could you elaborate? Well, part of it has to do with my inability to function properly in certain situations. For example, I have stopped at blinking yellow lights before, because at night it is difficult to determine the position of the lights. If my perception was correct in this regard then the system of traffic lights would fail at night. Mostly it comes from from repetively being told by everyone that I am wrong about colors, so I am either colorblind, or it is the world's greatest conspiracy.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Color isn't a a matter of belief. You're so bad at this.
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RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
August 3, 2011 at 7:09 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2011 at 7:09 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(August 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:(August 3, 2011 at 5:16 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Ok, now we are getting somewhere, it always happens with you, so kudos. However, why do you beleive the colors you cannot see exist? Could you elaborate? So you are taking it on faith that there are colors that you can't see? There is no logical proof or anything to prove they exist right? (August 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Color isn't a a matter of belief. You're so bad at this. To someone who can't see them they are, I think you are the one who is actually bad at this lol. RE: What distinguishes a fantasy book from the bible?
August 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm
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No they aren't. You can't hear the majority of sounds around you, but we can measure them. They have a very real effect, and a very real cause. Same with light friend. You could explain light to someone who was blind by speaking the formula that determines the properties of whatever light you're referring to. They could even read about it themselves in braile. Bet I can find you a blind physicist. Try again.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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