ISIS would take credit for a stubbed toe if they thought it would help their cause.

Also, there's an active disinformation campaign re: the shooter going on, mostly on 4chan and Reddit, in an attempt to paint the shooter as a liberal/anti-Trump/ANTIFA member. Unless it comes from the actual authorities, don't buy into any rumors.

Islam doesn't give any means of allowance to practice the savage acts that most countries use in wars.
The "eye for an eye" rule, prevent all forms of savage killing like Tactical Bombing, Mass Shootings and Genocides.

The cause of "killing civilians" in the name of Islam is a lost cause, unsupported not even by the tiniest evidence from the Islamic source book; the Quran.

Is ISIS made out of super metal; for instance? the whole world is bombing them for about 5 years, and they still decorate the global media headlines. Enough with this stupidity; new countries were formed, new alliances were made, all because of ISIS. ISIS was the lubricant motherfuckers needed to become richer, while you become more engulfed in stupid shitty mazes and circles about the flip-flop man who survive the bombing of the whole world.

(October 2, 2017 at 3:24 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 3:09 pm)Court Jester Wrote: The only news I really listen to

Then let me speak in a language  you might understand:

Baaaa!  Baaa!  Baaahh!  Baaa!

Shep Smith is about the only talent that network has that is remotely reasonable. The rest of them are simply propaganda goons.

Every time I hear Smith say something sane, I think, "Damn, you sound just like my mom, we agree on lots of things, up until you mention party."

The only thing Farts News is good for is toilet paper.

Farts News is news like decapitation is a cure for brain cancer.

(October 2, 2017 at 2:58 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Macoleco Wrote: I think that the logical conclusion from being in a war zone is to STOP believing in God. Not to start believing.

-Or maybe if you God can not operate in the mist of war, maybe that version of Him does not exist.

No versions exist.

I noticed that the shooter's brother (and others) keep saying "no motive" in the same breath as "no religion".  Xtians will probably hear "no religion" as "not ISIS" but I, for one, am happy to hear it said.  Religion: a primary cause of terrorist activity and murder.  Christian, Muslim, or other.

(October 2, 2017 at 4:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Islam doesn't give any means of allowance to practice the savage acts that most countries use in wars.
The "eye for an eye" rule, prevent all forms of savage killing like Tactical Bombing, Mass Shootings and Genocides.

The cause of "killing civilians"  in the name of Islam is a lost cause, unsupported not even by the tiniest evidence from the Islamic source book; the Quran.

Is ISIS made out of super metal; for instance? the whole  world is bombing them for about 5 years, and they still decorate the global media headlines. Enough with this stupidity; new countries were formed, new alliances were made, all because of ISIS. ISIS was the lubricant motherfuckers needed to become richer, while you become more engulfed in stupid shitty mazes and circles about the flip-flop man who survive the bombing of the whole world.

ARRGGGGGGG 

Dude, you are my favorite Muslim, ok I should say only one of two I have had repeated contact with, because of this page.

But again, you have the same problem EVERY religion does when trying to make an argument like this.

It does not matter what you want or think, others within your ranks see things differently.

Drink a beer, eat some pork dude. 

I really do see the same arguments from Christians and Jews too.

The REAL reason all religions do this is they want to think of themselves as moral. I don't have a problem one bit with humans expressing empathy and compassion. I only disagree when they claim it is magically handed down to us from above.

Our species morality isn't in a holy writing, it is in our evolution. 

You are a nice guy, just like Catholic Lady is a nice lady. I simply don't think either of you want to face that it is in our genes, not old books of mythology.

Other people use those same books to justify really horrible things.

Now if you'll excuse me, I my atheist code mandates I barbecue some kittens.

Stuff like this is what makes me glad to be in Europe.
To be a continent where ownership of fire arms is the exception, not the rule.
To be in a society that understands that the average Joe should not have access to guns.

Heck... it's so rare for people to carry guns that even the British police officers don't carry them.

Still, weapons appear here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_te...93present), but, when they do, they're usually brought from the outside.

The US has a huge problem with guns.
Your politicians will never do anything about it....
Obama tried and got kicked down... Trump would even go the other way!... so you guys are stuck with it.

If the leaders don't impose it, society must.
The myth of gun for self-defense is statistically laughable. Sure, a few cases here or there occur where it works.... but, for the most part, when it's required, there's no way to reach for the gun.
And easy access for the average Joe means easy access for the average nut with a death wish.

I don't care if this particular individual had a tumor or whatnot.... he had access to a series of high powered rifles. What's that for?! hunting deer 5 miles away?!

(October 2, 2017 at 5:12 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Stuff like this is what makes me glad to be in Europe.
To be a continent where ownership of fire arms is the exception, not the rule.
To be in a society that understands that the average Joe should not have access to guns.

Heck... it's so rare for people to carry guns that even the British police officers don't carry them.

Still, weapons appear here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_te...93present), but, when they do, they're usually brought from the outside.

The US has a huge problem with guns.
Your politicians will never do anything about it....
Obama tried and got kicked down... Trump would even go the other way!... so you guys are stuck with it.

If the leaders don't impose it, society must.
The myth of gun for self-defense is statistically laughable. Sure, a few cases here or there occur where it works.... but, for the most part, when it's required, there's no way to reach for the gun.
And easy access for the average Joe means easy access for the average nut with a death wish.

I don't care if this particular individual had a tumor or whatnot.... he had access to a series of high powered rifles. What's that for?! hunting deer 5 miles away?!

Gun culture and American culture are essentially the same thing. Our founding was with an armed revolt. Ever since, we've romanticized, even fetishized the ownership of firearms. They've always been a symbol of power, especially white male expansionist power. Armed resistance is how we beat back the British. It's how "the west was won." It's how we saved the world in WWII.

Moreover, as I said in another post, there's a ton of people here who think that owning firearms is the only way to keep government honest. That we're perpetually dangling over the edge of tyranny, and firearms are the only thing keeping us somewhat grounded.

I mean, this is a country where gun ownership is considered a right, but access to healthcare isn't. Our priorities are completely fucked, and events like this do absolutely nothing to change that. If the massacre at Sandy Hook didn't do anything to address it, this sure won't.

(October 2, 2017 at 5:30 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: [edit]

If the massacre at Sandy Hook didn't do anything to address it, this sure won't.

Americans seem to pay more attention when there are big numbers, this has big numbers on top of fairly recent previous big numbers. 

Look at the 1994 ban. We need that (1994 was somewhat neutered) and more.

(October 2, 2017 at 5:12 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I don't care if this particular individual had a tumor or whatnot.... he had access to a series of high powered rifles. What's that for?! hunting deer 5 miles away?!

"Hi powered rifles" are a legal -requirement- for deer hunting in many states.  The guns we use are determined by game regulations.  The idea is that some guns are too small to humanely kill a deer...wheres in the case of restrictions, some guns are too large, or have to high a rate of fire, or are too reliable, lol......etc.

Fun fact, it's illegal to hunt deer (or any large game) with spears in most states, despite certain spears carrying more kinetic potential than a 357, with greater peircing ability than a surgical treph broadhead from a compound bow.

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-as a helpful addendum to the above, you'll commonly find people shooting higher calibers from heavier and larger rifles west of the miss, where the terrain allows for ridge to ridge shooting with regularity.  You'll find smaller, lighter, and shorter carbines predominantly used in the choked new growth forests of the eastern seaboard. Because sportsman have driven product trends for decades..you'll find that the overall stock and relative value of rifles reflects their use.

AR variants being a new and rising anomaly. Their modular design and selectable chamberings make it so that you can build any rifle you like. Most of which, however, are definitely -not- "high powered". They're built to put hundreds of rounds downrange, and that would be prohibitively expensive for larger chamberings.

Counter-intuitively, the smaller rounds do damage of a type and in a way that's more difficult to deal with than the larger rounds. The have a tendency to do alot more internal damage before exiting (lacking force to punch through every bone they often bounce internally, after tumbling through the air due to a lower charge). And so it comes to pass that rifles built to accurately dump cheap ammo on a paper target fast......become the worst of all possible worlds.