This is how I always imagined you met your husband 😀

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(October 7, 2017 at 11:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 7, 2017 at 11:07 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What the heck is wrong with birth control?!

*can 'o' worms opened. Sorry*

Separating out the procreative aspect from sex. With timed abstinence you just don't have sex during the fertile week when you're trying to avoid pregnancy, which is fine

My wife decided to do that.
Ended up being far far more than just one week per month... And, after about a year, she was pregnant with our 4th kid, after some 7 years of me telling her that I didn't want any more kids. And, of course, by now, my opinion on what to do meant jack shit.

So... Suffice to say that that doesn't work.

Quote:. But when you take the pill or use a condom, you introduce something into the sex itself to render it sterile.

Still... Condoms worked well for a number of years.
Not ideal, I agree, but good enough.

Quote: Since we believe sex is a highly sacred thing, we think purposely changing its nature so fundamentally isn't right.

Oh, come, now... How does the pill change anything?

Quote:But that only applies to married couples. For unmarried folks, we don't think it's moral to be having sex at all, so whether or not they use artificial contraception doesn't matter. It becomes a moot point unless the couple is married.

Then it does become a moot point.
The problems begin when this distinction is not made clear to the masses. Like it wasn't in Africa and South America, where many people have multiple partners and, because of some anti-condom church based propaganda, AIDS soared to great heights.

How much should I demand for the ransom?

(October 7, 2017 at 11:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 7, 2017 at 11:28 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: You ahould be grateful for that “immorality” because you wouldn’t be here without it. I assure you that people were screwing long before there was marriage or before anyone thought to invent a story about god-sanctioned rules concerning when and who it was alright to fuck.

I assume people weren't culpable for having premarital sex before lifelong monogamy/marriage became a thing.

Weren't culpable? How gracious of you.

'Deserving blame or censure as being wrong or evil or injurious.'

About 70,000 years ago the human population was down to ~2,000 people, we almost didn't make it. Now isn't it just as well those people weren't infected with your sense of propriety.

(October 8, 2017 at 2:37 am)ignoramus Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 1:06 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you mean people who want kids should refrain from having kids for the sake of other animals? I don't think so, personally. I believe in doing our part to help the environment, but I don't think that should extend to married couples refraining from having children if they want them.

Remember that the earth is a finite resource.
Every child we have, every breath we take, the net sum total of energy needed to keep us alive will destroy us all very soon at this exponential rate of growth.
And there ain't no skydaddy coming to save anybody ...that's guaranteed. Everybody needs to make compromises, even the deluded who think their divine right overrules others rights to life.

Sorry, but i dont think married couples who want children have a moral obligation to refrain from having them for the sake of the environment. On that, we will just have to disagree. But like i said, I believe in responsible family planning and in only having sex if you are married. If everyone followed that, I imagine there would be less people in the world anyway.

(October 8, 2017 at 2:37 am)ignoramus Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 1:06 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you mean people who want kids should refrain from having kids for the sake of other animals? I don't think so, personally. I believe in doing our part to help the environment, but I don't think that should extend to married couples refraining from having children if they want them.

Remember that the earth is a finite resource.
Every child we have, every breath we take, the net sum total of energy needed to keep us alive will destroy us all very soon at this exponential rate of growth.
And there ain't no skydaddy coming to save anybody ...that's guaranteed. Everybody needs to make compromises, even the deluded who think their divine right overrules others rights to life.

Of course for those who think 'this world' is just stage props soon to be discarded before revealing a human centered afterlife, "web of life" is just another backdrop, and possible a little icky anyway.

(October 8, 2017 at 3:35 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(October 7, 2017 at 11:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Separating out the procreative aspect from sex. With timed abstinence you just don't have sex during the fertile week when you're trying to avoid pregnancy, which is fine

My wife decided to do that.
Ended up being far far more than just one week per month... And, after about a year, she was pregnant with our 4th kid, after some 7 years of me telling her that I didn't want any more kids. And, of course, by now, my opinion on what to do meant jack shit.

So... Suffice to say that that doesn't work.

Quote:. But when you take the pill or use a condom, you introduce something into the sex itself to render it sterile.

Still... Condoms worked well for a number of years.
Not ideal, I agree, but good enough.

Quote: Since we believe sex is a highly sacred thing, we think purposely changing its nature so fundamentally isn't right.

Oh, come, now... How does the pill change anything?

Quote:But that only applies to married couples. For unmarried folks, we don't think it's moral to be having sex at all, so whether or not they use artificial contraception doesn't matter. It becomes a moot point unless the couple is married.

Then it does become a moot point.
The problems begin when this distinction is not made clear to the masses. Like it wasn't in Africa and South America, where many people have multiple partners and, because of some anti-condom church based propaganda, AIDS soared to great heights.

Did she have a little machine that recorded her cycle, her temperature, and her cervical mucus? Those tend to be really reliable. My sister used it for years.

(October 8, 2017 at 9:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 3:35 am)pocaracas Wrote: My wife decided to do that.
Ended up being far far more than just one week per month... And, after about a year, she was pregnant with our 4th kid, after some 7 years of me telling her that I didn't want any more kids. And, of course, by now, my opinion on what to do meant jack shit.

So... Suffice to say that that doesn't work.


Still... Condoms worked well for a number of years.
Not ideal, I agree, but good enough.


Oh, come, now... How does the pill change anything?


Then it does become a moot point.
The problems begin when this distinction is not made clear to the masses. Like it wasn't in Africa and South America, where many people have multiple partners and, because of some anti-condom church based propaganda, AIDS soared to great heights.

Did she have a little machine that recorded her cycle, her temperature, and her cervical mucus? Those tend to be really reliable. My sister used it for years.

Not a machine... but an app on her phone.

(October 8, 2017 at 9:40 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 9:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Did she have a little machine that recorded her cycle, her temperature, and her cervical mucus? Those tend to be really reliable. My sister used it for years.

Not a machine... but an app on her phone.

This thing has a temperature rod you put in your mouth and another rod you stick into your vag. Do that every morning and record your period on there, and it's really reliable so long as you don't "cheat" and have sex during the fertile week lol.

(October 8, 2017 at 9:46 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 9:40 am)pocaracas Wrote: Not a machine... but an app on her phone.

This thing has a temperature rod you put in your mouth and another rod you stick into your vag. Do that every morning and record your period on there, and it's really reliable so long as you don't "cheat" and have sex during the fertile week lol.

yeah, yeah... the app does something similar, but one uses an independent thermometer and some nifty finger trick for the viscosity. Still failed!
And it's not just one week.