(November 6, 2017 at 8:43 am)Cyberman Wrote: Oh well, in an ideal world there would be no killing at all. All dietary needs would be met by renewable sources, like we'd photosynthesise or something.

Okay, "ideal-ish" world, one that works the way it would without humans being around.

(November 5, 2017 at 7:59 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: 26 year old veteran, newly married and a bible school "teacher" is what I've just heard about the shooter.

Dishonorable discharge. Full Frontal with Samantha Bee brought up a link, PRIOR to this shooting in many of these shootings in that these guys who do it have a history of domestic abuse too. CBS This Morning was reporting this morning that this guy got kicked out for abusing his other. 

But even if we skip the fact we make too many, the far right nutters don't even want to prevent domestic abusers from having them. 

(November 6, 2017 at 6:58 am)Wololo Wrote:

(November 5, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about

Quelle surprise I know more about your religion than you do. What's the rcc's first recourse when something goes wron? Pray fervently for whatever saint is nominated in the relevant area to intercede with god. When I was still catlick I could tell you the names of quite a fee of those saints.

Oh and to prove my point less than an hour after I posted originally RTÉ radio had a clip of the other pastor in the village saying (slight paraphrase) "we did what we could. We prayed".

Except that's not at all what Court Jesster said, and you fucking know it. What he said was "they should have prayed harder", as though we believe having prayed harder would have prevented this.

While we encourage prayer, nowhere in "catholic policy" does it say that people "should have prayed harder" when something bad happens to them. Nowehre does it say that praying hard enough guarantees that God will perform a miracle and take away a bad guy's free will to carry out whatever he was going to do, and if people are murdered, that just means they didn't pray hard enough. Nowhere does it say that, and neither is that even close to being a Catholic sentiment. And if you think otherwise, please, by all means, post where in the Catechism is says that. Show us some precious evidence.

What Jesster said was a disgusting, psychopathic thing to say in the face of christian families and children who just got murdered in a church, and you're equally disgusting for carrying it through and using it as an opportunity to attack my beliefs.

Heres a personal note to you, Tazzycon. It seems every time I say something, no matter how unrelated to my beliefs they are, you always make it a point to stick your ass in and make some kind of nasty comment to me about my faith. Even in the face of children getting murdered, you waste no time coming in here and using it to criticize a strawman of my beliefs at me, you piece of shit.

I don't know what kind of hard on you have for me and my beliefs that you make it a point to keep making comments to me about my faith every chance you get, but I'm really sick of your stupid bullshit. Serisouly dude, go fuck yourself and get a life.

Domestic abusers are not allowed to buy, own or possess a firearm by federal law.  Poor enforcement strikes again...and in this case it's palpably screwed by a lack of reporting and in many cases a tendency on the part of victims not to press charges, or to make a deal out of court for dispensations that do not include a criminal record. We should probably take a harder line on that...and not allow abusers to beat their victims into abetting their abuser.

That 37year old male with a 9mm from the trace data...that's the guy who shoots his wife, after having beat the living dogshit out of her for years.  Probably bought the pistol a decade before when they got married "for home defense".

Here's a novel idea, how about a response on the federal purchasing form as to the question of purpose: "for home defense" - triggers a longer waiting period, and a requirement of a recent mental health screening, and an exhaustive check for complaints (not just convictions) of domestic abuse? I know, I know..what if they lie and say "hunting"? Easy, recurring checks for a current state hunting license. If they say they;re gonna hunt with it but never buy a license, they've likely falsified information on a federal document..a felony......and felons can't have guns. Any of this stuff can be used to toss up red flags and draw the attention of an investigator or interviewer, either in house (as in at a government office) or in person.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: Domestic abusers are not allowed to buy, own or possess a firearm by federal law.  Poor enforcement strikes again...and in this case it's palpably screwed by a lack of reporting and in many cases a tendency on the part of victims not to press charges, or to make a deal out of court for dispensations that do not include a criminal record.  We should probably take a harder line on that...and not allow abusers to beat their victims into abetting their abuser.

That 37year old male with a 9mm from the trace data...that's the guy who shoots his wife, after having beat the living dogshit out of her for years.  Probably bought the pistol a decade before when they got married "for home defense".

And that's where Brian's prevention starts... at the factory, at the sale point.
Stop selling them like candy NOW and the results will show up in 11 years, according to your stats.
It's a long timeframe, but it's frankly better than do nothing, maintain the status quo, and in 11 years, we'll keep being bombarded by these news stories.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 6:58 am)Wololo Wrote: Quelle surprise I know more about your religion than you do. What's the rcc's first recourse when something goes wron? Pray fervently for whatever saint is nominated in the relevant area to intercede with god. When I was still catlick I could tell you the names of quite a fee of those saints.

Oh and to prove my point less than an hour after I posted originally RTÉ radio had a clip of the other pastor in the village saying (slight paraphrase) "we did what we could. We prayed".

Except that's not at all what Court Jesster said, and you fucking know it. What he said was "they should have prayed harder", as though we believe having prayed harder would have prevented this.

While we encourage prayer, nowhere in "catholic policy" does it say that people "should have prayed harder" when something bad happens to them. Nowehre does it say that praying hard enough guarantees that God will perform a miracle and take away a bad guy's free will to carry out whatever he was going to do, and if people are murdered, that just means they didn't pray hard enough. Nowhere does it say that, and neither is that even close to being a Catholic sentiment. And if you think otherwise, please, by all means, post where in the Catechism is says that. Show us some precious evidence.

What Jesster said was a disgusting, psychopathic thing to say in the face of christian families and children who just got murdered in a church, and you're equally disgusting for carrying it through and using it as an opportunity to attack my beliefs.

Heres a personal note to you, Tazzycon. It seems every time I say something, no matter how unrelated to my beliefs they are, you always make it a point to stick your ass in and make some kind of nasty comment to me about my faith. Even in the face of children getting murdered, you waste no time coming in here and using it to criticize a strawman of my beliefs at me, you piece of shit.

I don't know what kind of hard on you have for me and my beliefs that you make it a point to keep making comments to me about my faith every chance you get, but I'm really sick of your stupid bullshit. Serisouly dude, go fuck yourself and get a life.

CL the thread is about gun deaths. But the logic isn't there to claim a cosmic security guard is helping us at all no matter the type of death WORLDWIDE.

50 to 60 million humans WORLDWIDE die at all ages from everything you can imagine. We die stillborn, we die in childhood from cancer and other diseases, from famine and war. Adults of all ages die in accidents in the home, car. We die from suicide, war, natural disaster and disease and old age.

That is half a million in a decade, and 1 billion humans dying worldwide every 20 years.

Yes it is blunt sarcasm, but what you are not getting is we are not attacking your rights, nor do we think you are evil. The sarcasm is to demonstrate that once you postulate a cosmic protector, knowing the reality, we are merely challenging you to rethink your logic.

And please, you've been on this board for years, and you should know by now when even Atlass talks about Allah, we challenge his version too.

It makes no sense logically to us, for a alleged hero who says he can protect you, to even fail when you get hurt building and being in a monument to him. i could care less if that monument is a Church or Mosque or Synagogue. Our species history of violence proves that a holy place has no magic powers. It is a building, just like any other.

And even outside a holy place shooting, regardless of the religion you hold, the weapon, be it a firearm, car or bomb, doesn't care who is using it or who dies when it is used. Point being, if we want to reduce violence as a species, maybe we should stop depending on things we cant prove, and start depending on each other as humans. 

CL we don't hate you, I don't hate you. But the logic isn't there and that is where the sarcasm is coming from.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: And that's where Brian's prevention starts... at the factory, at the sale point.

People don't buy guns at or from the factory in the US Poca.  Direct to consumer is a sliver of sale, and not the sliver that concerns gun crime.

Quote:Stop selling them like candy NOW and the results will show up in 11 years, according to your stats.

Why, will the other guns go away or become less lethal?  If we want results, we need to reduce the number of desirable guns within the price range of the people who commonly employ them for crime..not the number of guns out of their price range and unavailable for purchase by the same people.

Quote:It's a long timeframe, but it's frankly better than do nothing, maintain the status quo, and in 11 years, we'll keep being bombarded by these news stories.

Whose talking about doing nothing?  I'm talking about tailoring our efforts to fit the data. That's how you get results.

(November 6, 2017 at 7:49 am)Khemikal Wrote: There are towns in the US overrun by deer and increasingly..by coyotes and coy-wolves.  As it so happens, they like the same sorts of manicured landscapes we do.  Ohio has an urban deer unit (they used to have an annual shoot in Columbus parks - but they don't do that anymore, pewpewpew).  Archers that use stands to hunt deer in the city parks and streets.  They call it the UDP.  

I want in on that action sooo bad.

Atlass, take your meds.

@Sama, I love dropping brush for fish and game.....that way I don't have to waste time finding the big bass and crappie.  Never been on a controlled shoot though.  I'd be a burden...I like to get the shot more than I like to take it anymore.  I still buy the license and get in the tag lottery every year, though.

Oh believe me; I don't take anything for mental health, and I believe I still process with high sharpness.
Depression on + Interferon BETA injections.

I think you should read what I wrote again; please.

(November 5, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 5, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about

I have no idea because it isn't official RCC policy. It may be bait, don't bite it.

I usually ignore or make fun of his stupid bullshit, because he does this strawman shit literally every chance he gets, no joke (the dude seriously has a boner for me or something). It's no surprise that he'd use the murder of children as another opportunity. Perhaps you're right that I should have just ignored, but there's something about doing this when people die that really set me off.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:19 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: And that's where Brian's prevention starts... at the factory, at the sale point.

People don't buy guns at the factory in the US Poca.  

Quote:Stop selling them like candy NOW and the results will show up in 11 years, according to your stats.

Why, will the other guns go away or become less lethal?  

Quote:It's a long timeframe, but it's frankly better than do nothing, maintain the status quo, and in 11 years, we'll keep being bombarded by these news stories.

Whose talking about doing nothing?  I'm talking about tailoring our efforts to fit the data.

It is obvious, and none of your dodges are going to work. WE MAKE TOO MANY AND THEY ARE TOO EASY TO GET.

It is that simple.