(November 6, 2017 at 9:19 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: And that's where Brian's prevention starts... at the factory, at the sale point.

People don't buy guns at or from the factory in the US Poca.  Direct to consumer is a sliver of sale, and not the sliver that concerns gun crime.  

You understand that, before guns arrive at the "used market" they must be new, right?
It seems far from possible to enforce any kind of control on the used goods market, so the best bet would be a generational struggle to close the tap upstream.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:19 am)Khemikal Wrote:

Quote:Stop selling them like candy NOW and the results will show up in 11 years, according to your stats.

Why, will the other guns go away or become less lethal?  If we want results, we need to reduce the number of desirable guns within the price range of the people who commonly employ them for crime..not the number of guns out of their price range and unavailable for purchase by the same people.

Well... yes they will become less lethal, as they age, rust and break.

I agree with you that such practices should also be employed. Also.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:19 am)Khemikal Wrote:

Quote:It's a long timeframe, but it's frankly better than do nothing, maintain the status quo, and in 11 years, we'll keep being bombarded by these news stories.

Whose talking about doing nothing?  I'm talking about tailoring our efforts to fit the data.  That's how you get results.

Your efforts are going for the largely uncontrollable P2P second hand market.
They could be controllable if the guns currently in circulation had been purchased with a proper registration and require that registration to be updated at a central location every time the gun is sold, like you'd do with a car (at least that's how we do it with cars where I come from).
Any crime committed with that gun would ultimately be traced back to it's registered owner, and no one wants to be guilty of a crime committed by their old guns, do they?
Start now! Implement this, if it's not already in place. Confiscate and destroy any unregistered weapon.

While, at the same time, constraining the ease of access to new guns.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:25 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Just read that the shooter was an atheist and was motivated by his hatred of religion and religiou people.

I thought he taught Sunday achool??

I don't care. 2 years ago an atheist shot and murdered 3 Muslims here in North Carolina. I DON'T CARE 

Pulse, Muslim motivated.
Va Tech, Mental illness
Newtown, Mental defect
Roof, Racist......

What did they all have in common?

ACCESS TO FIREARMS.

I could give a shit less if this guy was a Christian, Muslim or atheist. I DON'T FUCKING CARE. What I do care about is they got their hands on firearms and murdered tons of people.

(November 6, 2017 at 8:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: I grew up in the 1970s-80s UK. Guess we just imagined the IRA, then?

I grew up in the 1970s-80s Ireland. Guess we all must have imagined that mayhem too. 

And it wasn't just the IRA, there was the PIRA, RIRA, INLA, UDA, UVF and hell just chuck the whole alphabet at it, why not.

But no, apparently, atlas says the white people never engage in terrorism against white people, right?

What an abject load of nonsense. Here you and I sit with that crazy time in our living memory, but somehow, atlas knows better.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:38 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 6, 2017 at 9:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I thought he taught Sunday achool??

I don't care. 2 years ago an atheist shot and murdered 3 Muslims here in North Carolina. I DON'T CARE 

Pulse, Muslim motivated.
Va Tech, Mental illness
Newtown, Mental defect
Roof, Racist......

What did they all have in common?

ACCESS TO FIREARMS.

I could give a shit less if this guy was a Christian, Muslim or atheist. I DON'T FUCKING CARE. What I do care about is they got their hands on firearms and murdered tons of people.

I agree with you about gun control. I also think it's important to know the motive though. It helps bring closure to what happened, and helps us find warning signs for future prevention.

He was court marshaled and received a dishonorable discharge from the air force based on charges he abused his wife and child.
His in-laws were members of the church in question. Not present that morning, however.

No motive has been officially announced, and may never be, but I think revenge on those he saw at fault for his dishonorable discharge seems possible, even likely.

The Sun and the Mail...

Two of the best-respected bastions of journalistic integrity in the country...

(November 6, 2017 at 9:42 am)Aroura Wrote: He was court marshaled and received a dishonorable discharge from the air force based on charges he abused his wife and child.
His in-laws were members of the church in question. Not present that morning, however.

No motive has been officially announced, and may never be, but I think revenge on those he saw at fault for his dishonorable discharge seems possible, even likely.

If that's the case, he's a real coward for taking revenge on the military by killing children in a church. I would have loved to see him try that against actual military members at a military facility.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:25 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Just read that the shooter was an atheist and was motivated by his hatred of religion and religiou people. Apparently we was well know for using the same kind of rhetoric we find on AF.

Then he was not a "TRUE" atheist.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:25 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Just read that the shooter was an atheist and was motivated by his hatred of religion and religiou people. Apparently we was well know for using the same kind of rhetoric we find on AF.

I wouldn't believe you if you told me I was on fire and I smelled smoke.

(November 6, 2017 at 9:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(November 5, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I have no idea because it isn't official RCC policy. It may be bait, don't bite it.

I usually ignore or make fun of his stupid bullshit, because he does this strawman shit literally every chance he gets, no joke (the dude seriously has a boner for me or something). It's no surprise that he'd use the murder of children as another opportunity. Perhaps you're right that I should have just ignored, but there's something about doing this when people die that really set me off.

He's a troll. Why feed the retard.