As i said this nonsense is refuted . Your just repeating what's refuted .

(November 7, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 7, 2017 at 9:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God's ways are higher and understand his ways best, is a valid response, if someone doesn't know why but is sure God exists. Despite Atheists hating it.  

No they aren't...and no it's not.

You see a man raping a child.
Do you-
A: Intervene
B: Do nothing
C: Excitedly shout "God is Great!"
D: Grab your ankles and shout "Please Sir may I have another?"

God takes option b while demanding that you take option c.  Nothing mysterious about that.  I understand it perfectly well.  Guys a dick.

Added one more (my bolded) to the list.  

(November 7, 2017 at 10:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So God will destroy people sinning before they sin.

People will be so afraid to even intend evil lol.

No free-will. Glad you are not the creator in charge.

We shoot people before they get a chance to murder their hostages, too.  It's not as if we're interfering with their "free will" to be a murderous hostage taker...we're just saving someones life.  God can't be bothered. 

Allah hu Akbar!

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Quote:Show the design. We will see which one is better.

You're -living- in it.  You're surrounded by solutions to reduce suffering that god, in his great wisdom, either couldn't design..or..in his beneficence, chose not to.  The work was left to us, and we did it.

(November 7, 2017 at 9:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 7, 2017 at 9:36 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It's called reading your book...

In which manner? If a book connects lowest to highest, dispels all falsehood and clarifies all truth pertaining to our guidance.... of course, that requires a humble attitude.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.  The guiding hand of Yahweh instructed the Israelites to murder people (including babies), take their shit, and rape their virgin women.  *shrugs*

Quote:Of course somethings are going to be unclear to start with

It actually reads pretty straightforwardly.

Quote:the proofs of God will be unclear to us to begin with.

Show me one "proof" of god, MK.  I don't think you know what that word means.

(November 7, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Atlas: yes, I have Muslim friends. I am well aware that Muslims and many Christian denominations believe I will go to Hell for being Catholic.

I can be of its inhabitants in the afterlife, anybody can, and nobody knows is written for sure to be of its citizens. That's how it is in Islam.
According to Catholic tradition; I assume I want be accepted in heaven too since I don't accept Jesus -peace be upon him- to be the Lord; God.

Whenever your ready to show design of your ideal universe, go ahead, don't side track it.

Quote:Show the design. We will see which one is better.

Man has already done so . But as i said just more excuse making .

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(November 7, 2017 at 10:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Whenever your ready to show design of your ideal universe, go ahead, don't side track it.

We already have . It's you who just keeps generating distractions and excuses

(November 7, 2017 at 10:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 7, 2017 at 10:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: More or less the same idea as trying to scare people into doing good with eternal torture in hell, huh?  The only difference being that in one case, you get the fucker before he rapes the little girl..and in the other, she gets raped.  

If you say so..but if he does, the guy needs more help than you do.  He's sick.

So God will destroy people sinning before they sin.

People will be so afraid to even intend evil lol.

No free-will. Glad you are not the creator in charge.

Me, I'm just glad there was no creator in charge. That job would be too heinous for anyone, even your ultra-ultimate omega.

Anyhow any moralizing invoking god is just passing off your responsibility without acknowledging your choice of god, religion, denomination and so on. Once you've signed on, you just start rule following, hoping that will work. We'd rather you open your eyes and put your hands back on the wheel.

(November 7, 2017 at 10:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:Show the design. We will see which one is better.

Man has already done so . But as i said just more excuse making .

Man is part of the design of God, so would you take that responsibility of exacting justice, to Angels? What you would do? Would Angels be the police on earth or something?

I am honestly trying to understand but you guys are avoiding it. Because this the best designed world, not the best outcome of the design, but the best designed world, you cannot.

So let's see your explanation and design.

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(November 7, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Me, I'm just glad there was no creator in charge. 

In other words, you hope God doesn't exist. 

Quote: That job would be too heinous for anyone, even your ultra-ultimate omega.  

You lost me on that one.

Quote:Anyhow any moralizing invoking god is just passing off your responsibility without acknowledging your choice of god, religion, denomination and so on.

Not really, it's the only way to have responsibility. Running away from responsibility of our choices in what we believe and have become is the exact route when go the materialistic perspective of a human and the mind.

Quote:  Once you've signed on, you just start rule following, hoping that will work.

 
Except if you only follow what you know and see.

Quote:We'd rather you open your eyes and put your hands back on the wheel.

What eyes, you guys constantly argue we have none, it's just some sort of program created by biological chemicals. 

The only eyes that can be accountable is that of love and love is the basis and essence of life and power and takes on form of patience with suffering and gratitute in favors.

Who invented agriculture and reduced what was, up to that point, a life of constant hunger?  Allah.
Who invented the written word and with it a means of preserving generational knowledge?   Allah.
Who invented the cures and treatments for myriad diseases inflicted upon us since the dawn of time?  Allah
Who came up with the very roofs over our heads and the clothes on our backs?  Allah
Howsabout this magic box we're using to discuss the subject of god and his greatness?  Allah

No...no, wait a minute..Allah didn't do any of that shit.  That was us....and boy oh boy is he super-pissed about it! I'm just glad he's over his skyscraper destroying phase, personally.