(December 13, 2017 at 8:14 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(December 13, 2017 at 6:39 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I can't answer for most, and I will not create any post that makes such a claim.  But I understand where the temptation comes from, from the point of view of someone who was raised religious.  When I realized that I could not believe, I felt freed and enlightened.  I then read a lot of books and studied a little bit of logic.  I felt as if I had escaped from an ignorant and indoctrinated mindset.  This feeling probably can make a new atheist feel like a new religious convert, wanting to shout from the rooftops that I HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH!  Of course, I (and probably most of us) have endured enough of such preaching to avoid doing it ourselves.

I had exactly the same experience ages ago. I remember sitting on the EL train and thinking, you know what, I don't believe in God anymore. It felt very liberating at the time.

I'm sure you weren't the first to lose his faith while riding public transportation.

My meteorology teacher has a PhD in meteorology , a very smart guy and he is also a creationist , homophob and believes in all kinds of conspiracy theories.

Who the f**k knows what gets people to believe in things like this.

(December 14, 2017 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote:

(December 12, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Hammy Wrote: TBH I think that was a bad definition.

Intelligence is an overall capacity to understand things. Intelligence is innate comprehension ability.


Nah, the point is that intelligence is innate and you can be taught things that you are too dumb to really understand. Education is about knowledge, and you don't have to be smart to know stuff. All knowledge requires is memory. Memorizing facts doesn't make you smart. Understanding them makes you smart.

If intelligence is about comprehension then why is it defined as the acquisition of knowledge and skill?

The problem hammy is with people like you, you have your own understanding of the words you use and more often than not you will stretch the meaning of a word to fit a narrative rather than seek out the proper word that describes what you are trying to describe.

When I said intelligence is a measure of indoctrination, may at first seem like a stretch until you actually look at the definition, and as I explained in my first post. the measure of knowledge is judged by region's "smart class". They decide what is valid and what is not. they determine how one is to be educated and what they are taught. as Intelligence does not transfer from region to region.

Some absolutes do as with mathematics but everything else can be trivialized. Why because the accumulation of the wrong knowledge or the applications of the wrong skills (as view by this soceity)can quickly be deemed as unintelligent behavior. while in another society those skills and knowledge can be the corner stone standard.

For example look at the divide between religion and science. People who worship and up hold 'science' as their live standard poo-poo on those who spent 20+ years studying several different languages, cultures, and even architecture than the 'intelligent among the religious can be referred to as someone who has no intelligent credibility just because they do not kneel at the alter/faith in science as the fanatical science groupies do. So how can someone with 20 of gathering knoweledge and applying said knowledge in a cohesive way be deem foolish? Because they do not meet the indoctrinated measure set fourth by pop culture.

In short if what you said is true then I could never honestly be call an idiot. but we all know that is the favored panic stop button most of you turn to when you are unable to refute a point I am making. and to a degree (That I do not subscribe wholy to your faith in all science) by this measure you are correct.

You're a fucking moron in any culture.

Anyone who actively holds 'intelligence' as a negative should be excluded from the conversation to begin with.

(December 14, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 14, 2017 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: If intelligence is about comprehension then why is it defined as the acquisition of knowledge and skill?

The problem hammy is with people like you, you have your own understanding of the words you use and more often than not you will stretch the meaning of a word to fit a narrative rather than seek out the proper word that describes what you are trying to describe.

When I said intelligence is a measure of indoctrination, may at first seem like a stretch until you actually look at the definition, and as I explained in my first post. the measure of knowledge is judged by region's "smart class". They decide what is valid and what is not. they determine how one is to be educated and what they are taught. as Intelligence does not transfer from region to region.

Some absolutes do as with mathematics but everything else can be trivialized. Why because the accumulation of the wrong knowledge or the applications of the wrong skills (as view by this soceity)can quickly be deemed as unintelligent behavior. while in another society those skills and knowledge can be the corner stone standard.

For example look at the divide between religion and science. People who worship and up hold 'science' as their live standard poo-poo on those who spent 20+ years studying several different languages, cultures, and even architecture than the 'intelligent among the religious can be referred to as someone who has no intelligent credibility just because they do not kneel at the alter/faith in science as the fanatical science groupies do. So how can someone with 20 of gathering knoweledge and applying said knowledge in a cohesive way be deem foolish? Because they do not meet the indoctrinated measure set fourth by pop culture.

In short if what you said is true then I could never honestly be call an idiot. but we all know that is the favored panic stop button most of you turn to when you are unable to refute a point I am making. and to a degree (That I do not subscribe wholy to your faith in all science) by this measure you are correct.

You're a fucking moron in any culture.

^THIS^

(December 14, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 14, 2017 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: If intelligence is about comprehension then why is it defined as the acquisition of knowledge and skill?

The problem hammy is with people like you, you have your own understanding of the words you use and more often than not you will stretch the meaning of a word to fit a narrative rather than seek out the proper word that describes what you are trying to describe.

When I said intelligence is a measure of indoctrination, may at first seem like a stretch until you actually look at the definition, and as I explained in my first post. the measure of knowledge is judged by region's "smart class". They decide what is valid and what is not. they determine how one is to be educated and what they are taught. as Intelligence does not transfer from region to region.

Some absolutes do as with mathematics but everything else can be trivialized. Why because the accumulation of the wrong knowledge or the applications of the wrong skills (as view by this soceity)can quickly be deemed as unintelligent behavior. while in another society those skills and knowledge can be the corner stone standard.

For example look at the divide between religion and science. People who worship and up hold 'science' as their live standard poo-poo on those who spent 20+ years studying several different languages, cultures, and even architecture than the 'intelligent among the religious can be referred to as someone who has no intelligent credibility just because they do not kneel at the alter/faith in science as the fanatical science groupies do. So how can someone with 20 of gathering knoweledge and applying said knowledge in a cohesive way be deem foolish? Because they do not meet the indoctrinated measure set fourth by pop culture.

In short if what you said is true then I could never honestly be call an idiot. but we all know that is the favored panic stop button most of you turn to when you are unable to refute a point I am making. and to a degree (That I do not subscribe wholy to your faith in all science) by this measure you are correct.

You're a fucking moron in any culture.

name calling with nothing to support your taunting.. Empty ad hom attack.. isn't that the argument of a fucking moron???

Did you see what I did there? I called you the same name but backed it with evidence that supports my assertion.

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(December 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Anyone who actively holds 'intelligence' as a negative should be excluded from the conversation to begin with.

Intelligence is neither a positive or negative. it simply should be views as a measure of indoctrination in a given culture. The word indoctrination should not automatically be judged negatively as well. it simply describes one who has been adopted or assimilated into a given culture. It is the culture that is judged righteous or evil. The fact the even you all automatically judge this culture evil via seeing words like intelligence or indoctrination as inherently being evil speaks volumes.

(December 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 14, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're a fucking moron in any culture.

name calling with nothing to support your taunting.. Empty ad hom attack.. isn't that the argument of a fucking moron???

Did you see what I did there? I called you the same name but backed it with evidence that supports my assertion.

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(December 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Anyone who actively holds 'intelligence' as a negative should be excluded from the conversation to begin with.

Intelligence is neither a positive or negative. it simply should be views as a measure of indoctrination in a given culture. The word indoctrination should not automatically be judged negatively as well. it simply describes one who has been adopted or assimilated into a given culture. It is the culture that is judged righteous or evil. The fact the even you all automatically judge this culture evil via seeing words like intelligence or indoctrination as inherently being evil speaks volumes.

I don't think you get it. Intelligence is an intrinsical ability.

(December 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 14, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're a fucking moron in any culture.

name calling with nothing to support your taunting.. Empty ad hom attack..

It would be depressing for anyone else to discover just how little respect they'd earned, but of course I realize that for you the only life that matters is the one that follows your death .. maybe.

(December 14, 2017 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: if only there was a way for me to show you which side of the looking glass you stood on...

Generally the silvered side. I've found that gets the most use out of the invention.

(December 14, 2017 at 10:56 am)pool the matey Wrote:

Bow Before Zeus Wrote:Because atheism is based of rationalism and theism is based on faith.

Nope atheism is based on lack of faith not rationalism.

Atheism is lack of faith in a creator-god being. This is based on rational thinking.

Ipso facto atheism is based on rationalism & theism is based on voodoo magic... oops, I mean faith.

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(December 14, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 14, 2017 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: If intelligence is about comprehension then why is it defined as the acquisition of knowledge and skill?

The problem hammy is with people like you, you have your own understanding of the words you use and more often than not you will stretch the meaning of a word to fit a narrative rather than seek out the proper word that describes what you are trying to describe.

When I said intelligence is a measure of indoctrination, may at first seem like a stretch until you actually look at the definition, and as I explained in my first post. the measure of knowledge is judged by region's "smart class". They decide what is valid and what is not. they determine how one is to be educated and what they are taught. as Intelligence does not transfer from region to region.

Some absolutes do as with mathematics but everything else can be trivialized. Why because the accumulation of the wrong knowledge or the applications of the wrong skills (as view by this soceity)can quickly be deemed as unintelligent behavior. while in another society those skills and knowledge can be the corner stone standard.

For example look at the divide between religion and science. People who worship and up hold 'science' as their live standard poo-poo on those who spent 20+ years studying several different languages, cultures, and even architecture than the 'intelligent among the religious can be referred to as someone who has no intelligent credibility just because they do not kneel at the alter/faith in science as the fanatical science groupies do. So how can someone with 20 of gathering knoweledge and applying said knowledge in a cohesive way be deem foolish? Because they do not meet the indoctrinated measure set fourth by pop culture.

In short if what you said is true then I could never honestly be call an idiot. but we all know that is the favored panic stop button most of you turn to when you are unable to refute a point I am making. and to a degree (That I do not subscribe wholy to your faith in all science) by this measure you are correct.

You're a fucking moron in any culture.

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