(December 24, 2017 at 11:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I see no logical reason why taking the life of a human who is temporarily unconscious is only wrong if they were previously conscious.

Then that's a lapse in your reasoning not mine . But their is a difference . Thus your analogy fails .

Ah, ok then

(December 24, 2017 at 11:07 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 11:06 am)Tizheruk Wrote: True but not relevant . If our criteria is a current conscience state.

Are we ok to kill humans that are currently unconscious in a coma but that we know for a fact will gain consciousness in a few months? Bad argument.

You are making a very bad general assumption that a doctor cant tell who has better odds, that is not your decision to make.

CASE BY CASE is the only way to do it, so get a medical degree first before you assume what a doctor knows.

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(December 24, 2017 at 11:09 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 9:50 am)FFaith Wrote: Do you think you would still be against abortion if you didn't believe in the soul though? Without the soul, life is not automatically sacred. There are no memories or life experience for the fetus, so the way we look at it, the fetus or "baby" has nothing to lose, really. There's no good reason you should expect us to care about this "baby" losing it's life, because we don't believe a soul is present to make the life sacred.

So then it is just the memories and life experiences that make murder wrong, later down the line?

It is not our fault someone sold you a utopia where everything is ice cream and candy canes. 

No sorry, it still remains if one is going to claim only the (ALLEGED God) has the right to judge, NOT HUMANS, then that alone means you have no say. I am sick of theists claiming God doesn't need their help, then try to do his job for him.

CL, I am very sorry for your heartbreaking loss. I can't imagine how devastating that has been for you.

I think the fundamental issue here is control over what other people do. I completely understand the reasoning behind pro-life and why one would not want to terminate a pregnancy.

I don't think I'd be able to do it myself.

I do strongly believe, however, that this is an intensely personal thing that nobody else has any business trying to control or even having an opinion about. It's personal and private.

Oh and to those who try and use shock images to guilt people into being anti abortion . 


Going to become a vegan now 


Going to become Anti gun

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Quote:So then it is just the memories and life experiences that make murder wrong, later down the line?

Don't know were you got that impression ?

(December 24, 2017 at 11:33 am)Mermaid Wrote: CL, I am very sorry for your heartbreaking loss. I can't imagine how devastating that has been for you.

I think the fundamental issue here is control over what other people do. I completely understand the reasoning behind pro-life and why one would not want to terminate a pregnancy.

I don't think I'd be able to do it myself.

I do strongly believe, however, that this is an intensely personal thing that nobody else has any business trying to control or even having an opinion about. It's personal and private.

It doesn't become personal anymore when it involves killing someone else.

It is when it occurs in your body . And against your will .

(December 24, 2017 at 11:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 11:33 am)Mermaid Wrote: CL, I am very sorry for your heartbreaking loss. I can't imagine how devastating that has been for you.

I think the fundamental issue here is control over what other people do. I completely understand the reasoning behind pro-life and why one would not want to terminate a pregnancy.

I don't think I'd be able to do it myself.

I do strongly believe, however, that this is an intensely personal thing that nobody else has any business trying to control or even having an opinion about. It's personal and private.

It doesn't become personal anymore when it involves killing someone else.

I fundamentally disagree that it is killing someone else.

(December 24, 2017 at 11:06 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 10:59 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Bacteria aren’t ever going to gestate into people.

True but not relevant . If our criteria is a current conscience state.

Tiz, the ‘consciousness’ argument fails at the scientific level.  Newborns are hardly more conscious than late-term fetuses.  By that logic, you’d have to consider euthanizing a newborn equally morally acceptable as a late term abortion.  

https://www.livescience.com/28848-babies...sness.html

(December 24, 2017 at 10:09 am)Tizheruk Wrote: 3. This sounds like the tired "would you like to have liked to been aborted " If the price of my birth is the endangerment of women and the loss of their reproductive say . Then my life is not worth it . 
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I have had friends over the years with special needs children, but most of them would not have benefited from a pre-natal test for their childs condition, ie not downs.  They love their kids and in general, the kids seem happy.   Each of these parents struggle with the future for these children after they are gone/unable to care for these kids. 

Given a choice, I would not want to live a life with Downs.   There are several chronic medical conditions that I would not choose to struggle with.  Quad-para is one.

If I had a downs pregnancy, I would abort.  I would consider that as in the best interest of the child.