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RE: Mental torture
January 15, 2018 at 5:45 pm
(January 15, 2018 at 5:34 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Good theology, bad theology, incompatible with x's interpretation of my special-book theology (sigh).
Sure, there is "bad" theology. I think "prosperity theology" is pretty heinous.
But when people talk about theology now, I keep smacking up against what theology is: "the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world"
The study of God's relation to the world. IMHO that clearly states: arguing at length over something that doesn't exist. I would much rather listen to pre-teen-age boys argue over who would win if Batman and Spiderman had a fight.
I think that we are talking about separate things.
What I am talking about is more about methodology than a particular conclusion or your particular feelings and aversions to it.
It's the same as good science or good history, or really anything that you can study. It's not about the conclusion as much as why and how you got there. And even an answer that is correct does not mean that the way in which it was arrived at was particularly good.
In a class I took, they described it this way. Nearly everyone who has a thought about God, has a theology; even those who are against theology or any type of study have a theology, it's just likely a poor and underdeveloped one, because they haven't thought about it much.
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RE: Mental torture
January 15, 2018 at 6:36 pm
Spider-Man every time. Just sayin.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Mental torture
January 15, 2018 at 10:47 pm
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(January 14, 2018 at 3:17 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think you should listen to and be able to address good theology, before criticizing. This just re-emphasizes what I said before. Do you think that twisting what others say, to make a poor emotional appeal is a good way to make an argument?
This suggests there is a clear distinction between good and bad theology, could you give me an example of 'bad' theology.
Quote:Now, by our definition also God is real. He is real in the absolute and final sense that nothing else is. All other reality is contingent upon His. The great Reality is God who is the Author of that lower and dependent reality which makes up the sum of created things, including ourselves. God has objective existence independent of and apart from any notions which we may have concerning Him. The worshipping heart does not create its Object. It finds Him here when it wakes from its moral slumber in the morning of its regeneration
A. W. Tozer.
Is this decent swag or total bollocks, what say you?
And last, and by all means least, I give you:
Quote:Being human means asking the questions of one's own being and living under the impact of the answers given to this question. And, conversely, being human means receiving answers to the questions of one's own being and asking questions under the impact of the answers
Paul Tillich.
The enlightenment?
The faculty offers master’s degrees in all major areas of theology and the study of religion.
This: from a world renowned university?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Mental torture
January 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2018 at 2:14 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
Bad theology: all the straw man arguments against the 5 way.
Otherwise nothing about either quote seems objectionable..how they arrived at them is what makes it good or bad. Theology is a process not a result. The results are called doctrine.
(January 15, 2018 at 1:07 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: RR, what is good theology as compared to bad, and how are we, the unconvinced, supposed to tell the difference when it all sounds like bullshit?
Listening instead of reacting is always a good start.
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RE: Mental torture
January 16, 2018 at 3:45 pm
It seems as if this "good theology" category really is just a euphemism for a persons own beliefs. I wonder if there's any believer out there who thinks his theology is "bad theology"...lol?
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RE: Mental torture
January 16, 2018 at 4:07 pm
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(January 16, 2018 at 3:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It seems as if this "good theology" category really is just a euphemism for a persons own beliefs. I wonder if there's any believer out there who thinks his theology is "bad theology"...lol?
Khemikal, would you attack God if he existed, like demon in religious myths wish to do? Question regarding your stance on God.
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RE: Mental torture
January 16, 2018 at 6:42 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2018 at 6:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I;m not sure I understand the question...?
Are you asking me, what if god was one of us...just a stranger that I'd punch on the bus? I don't generally punch strangers on the bus so no.
Or do you mean would I still have the dismal view of this "god" if it actually existed? Well, ofc I would. I know real assholes in real life..I don;t have time for them. I have even less patience for imaginary assholes in other assholes minds.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Mental torture
January 18, 2018 at 12:00 am
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2018 at 12:01 am by Martian Mermaid.)
Both heaven and hell seem the same to me anyway. Where ever you go, it will be the same forever. Seems so bland, whether you go with the perfection or the torture.
But that's how they scare you, so they don't have to give logical reasons to believe in God.
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But on this battlefield no one wins
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RE: Mental torture
January 19, 2018 at 2:31 pm
(January 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Bad theology: all the straw man arguments against the 5 way.
Otherwise nothing about either quote seems objectionable..how they arrived at them is what makes it good or bad. Theology is a process not a result. The results are called doctrine.
(January 15, 2018 at 1:07 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: RR, what is good theology as compared to bad, and how are we, the unconvinced, supposed to tell the difference when it all sounds like bullshit?
Listening instead of reacting is always a good start.
Again with the bloody five ways.
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RE: Mental torture
January 19, 2018 at 3:31 pm
Sorry. I don't learn from YouTube videos. I read books. You might try it sometime.
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