(January 21, 2018 at 9:06 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(January 21, 2018 at 8:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: Yes, let’s talk about that! It pisses off the same people!! Also, Cinjin!!!!

Good to hear from you girl.

Missed you, man. I was sad to see you weren’t around when I came back.

(January 21, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 21, 2018 at 8:51 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Has anyone here seen the new documentary, 'The Red Pill'?

It's an expose film about the Men's Rights Group produced and directed and narrated by a woman and a feminist.

I didn't even know that there was a Mens Rights group, but it's DEFINITELY worth a watch if you have a couple of hours. 

It really opened up my eyes to some things I had never considered about myself and the way I view men in general.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-52695.h...t=red+pill

Wow, that's quite the thread. Thank you for the link.
As usual, everything is a fight club round here rather than a discussion, but the same thing happened in the documentary, so I guess it's apropos.

It is possible to be insulting and totally fighty without swearing. Just sayin.’

I think we had some good discussion in this thread and also in that one.

Here is my assessment of that documentary:

Quote:I am watching this documentary now.
It starts out with some fallacies that cause its credibility to suffer for me right off the bat. I don't know if I will get through the whole thing.

So far, these are some statements in this documentary about our culture and about feminism that I take exception to:

Culturally, men are viewed as disposable because they fight more commonly in combat, and they tend to take riskier jobs.
Feminists think men make more money so they will have the power over women.
Men are commonly falsely accused of sexual assault.
Women commonly want to be "taken" by strangers, without consent.
Statistics about historical war deaths....Most are men. derp.
Women have access to everything men have access to.
Men do what it takes to maintain this society and the burden is on men.
Feminists claim men make the rules at the expense of women.
Women are not oppressed, it's hateful and wrong to claim this.
Women claim that domestic violence and sexual assault is only committed by men against women.

I agree there are cultural gender issues that should be recognized. Women and children first, alimony, men registering for Selective Services. I think feminists agree with all of that as well. That is kind of the point.

Sorry. This documentary is a steaming pile of feces.

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(January 21, 2018 at 9:44 pm)Shell B Wrote: It is possible to be insulting and totally fighty without swearing. Just sayin.’

But swearing feels so fucking good.

If someone wants to make themselves feel better by continually calling me a victim blamer, when there is no victim to blame, so be it. She can keep on with her pathetic delusions I guess. Have fun with that.

(January 21, 2018 at 6:21 pm)Shell B Wrote: Meh. I’m notorious for finding shit amusing enough to stir vigorously.

Now I understand the attraction between you and Cath-y, although with her it is more the shit itself than the stirring that is found amusing.

I find just about everything amusing. Mirth is my default setting.

(January 21, 2018 at 8:51 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Has anyone here seen the new documentary, 'The Red Pill'?

It's an expose film about the Men's Rights Group produced and directed and narrated by a woman and a feminist.

I didn't even know that there was a Mens Rights group, but it's DEFINITELY worth a watch if you have a couple of hours. 

It really opened up my eyes to some things I had never considered about myself and the way I view men in general.

Funny you should bring this up: https://atheistforums.org/thread-52695.html

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(January 21, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(January 21, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Mermaid Wrote: https://atheistforums.org/thread-52695.h...t=red+pill

Wow, that's quite the thread. Thank you for the link.
As usual, everything is a fight club round here rather than a discussion, but the same thing happened in the documentary, so I guess it's apropos.

I see someone beat me to posting it lol. Yeah, it got real ugly.

(January 21, 2018 at 10:15 pm)Shell B Wrote: I find just about everything amusing. Mirth is my default setting.

Did you know that Cath-y drops old growth sized logs?  True fact.

(January 21, 2018 at 11:10 am)Shell B Wrote: Oh, shut up, Thena. /thread

Hey, way to encourage participation here, at a discussion forum.

(January 21, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Joods Wrote: As an actual victim of an SA, I can wholeheartedly say to those who still think I was victim blaming: you can go Fuck right off. You know nothing and you have a lot of fucking nerve.

And yet you still wield the argument that spun you out into butthurt. She didn't call the cops. Does that mean she wasn't assaulted? Forgive my pointing out the obvious, but if an argument hurts you so much that you ragequit, you should probably not pick it up as if it is your own.

And yeah, I got a lot of fucking nerve. Deal with it.

(January 21, 2018 at 2:35 pm)Shell B Wrote: That's exactly how I feel.

Call the cops, then. Because otherwise, you're spinning yarns, clearly.

(January 21, 2018 at 2:44 pm)Joods Wrote:  If a person felt they were assaulted then rather than going to a reporter first,  they should have gone to the police.

Like you did?

Here, let's read your own words:

(October 11, 2016 at 12:59 pm)Joods Wrote: You cannot possibly be serious.

There could be an unknown number of underlying reasons why someone doesn't report being raped for days, weeks, months or even YEARS. They include:

Threats from their rapist.
Blackmail.
Shame and guilt.
Being completely alone.
PTSD.
Feelings that no one will believe or understand them.
Depending on when the rape happened: No DNA evidence.

The list goes on and on.

Obviously, you have never been to a rape-crisis center or a DV center. Nor have you ever had to deal with such a thing. Surely, some common sense would tell you that just because someone doesn't report a rape doesn't mean that it never happened.

I was raped when I was 25 years old. I never reported it. Why? Because I was threatened. I knew my rapist. My rapist knew where I lived. He also knew that I had an infant with special needs and significant health problems at the time. He threatened my child as well. Was I terrified? Fuck yes I was. This asshole had a popular position within the community. I was a single mother raising a special needs child. No one saw it happen. His word against mine. He befriended me five months prior to the rape happening. Made friends with MY friends. He told me he would have more character witnesses on his side than I'd know what to do with.

So no. Fuck you. It's not always as cut and dry as YOU think it is. Your post above just goes to show the sheer amount of ignorance you seem to have over such things.

Allow me to draw your attention to one of your reasons: "Feelings that no one will believe or understand them." Golly, that sounds familiar about right now.

I got a beat-down in that thread for arguing for Drich's ban over his posting to you.

That thread, long though it is, would be good reading for anyone reading this one, simply for watching the flip-flops happening.

(January 21, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Joods Wrote: The purpose of forums is to discuss things.

Oddly enough, you didn't say a fucking word when Shell told her to shut up. Where was your outrage then?

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It's amazing how thoughtless people can be sometimes. There are at least four women in this thread who've talked about their own sexual assaults, and only one of them has the empathy to read the report without virtue-signalling their martyrdom: Mermaid. Maybe Grace's experience wasn't as bad as your own, but for fuck's sake, don't you see how obnoxious it was anyway?

I'll bet you walked uphill, seven miles in snow both ways, right? Just because you had it worse does not mean that Aziz's behavior was acceptable, or even legal (that's arguable). But hey, take pride in your having it worse than she did, and dispensing nuggets of judgement.