(January 26, 2018 at 12:37 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't think so.
Humans did nasty, nasty stuff in all ages. Actually the invasion of Iraq while Mexican terrorists are skinning people alive and cut their hearts is one example of how evil human can be.

The evil apathy

Fail.

Quote:Every country in the world has prisons, armies and police. They even call it "law enforcement".
There is an official institution for enforcing fear in every country in the world.

If I'm a terrorist for suggesting that "deterrence is caused by fear"; then all armies of the world are terrorists; with the U.S sitting on the throne with lots of atomic, terrorist weapons.

The first operation in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was officially named "shock and awe"..that's quite terrorist.

Fail.

You believe in terror, and then tell us that your belief is why you're not a terrorist. You'll have to forgive me for thinking that you don't know yourself very well. I'd never turn my back on you. Yall Qaeda and ISIS aren't really that different, and you're not really that different from either. None of you are trustworthy.

(January 25, 2018 at 3:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: No, it doesn't, and all people "walk within the borders of morality". 

If you're comfortable in just saying shit like that I don't think I'm required to do anything but say you're wrong.

If you isolate a human since birth in a place with no other people; i.e without receiving a moral code from a society or from parents, that person will grow up without knowing what is right and what is wrong.

No they wont....see how easy that is?

(January 25, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(January 25, 2018 at 11:23 am)LastPoet Wrote: That has to be one of the scariest shit someone can say.

I am not a teerorist because I want to foster a better world for everyone and by doing that fostering a better world for my descendants. I am not a terrorist because I know pain and I don't want others to feel it. I am not a terrorist because they are all cowards, pretending to be warriors. Most of them would run away before me, without bombs or machine guns.

That day of judgement will come. But in your lifetime. You aren't getting free without accounting.

Exactly my reaction, as if his personal inclination is to kill as many as possible but .. you know .. eternal damnation so maybe not today.

Not really. Your cherry-picked what you wanted to see from my words only.

When did I say that all humans "deserve to be killed"?
Ironically; you ignored this line from my OP:

Quote:punish the people who corrupt the earth; and do it with everybody: starting with yourself.

I specified who I see deserving death.
Add to that, that I'm a Muslim. I already believe in a verse my constitution has, that said "an eye for an eye". So you can't kill that who didn't kill.

Unlike nationalists who see that "even civilians living in an other country are legitimate targets in the case of war".

Actually; tactical bombing and atomic weapons -and the ownership of your government to them- makes your post pretty ironic.
The terrorist is the monster piloting that plane. Not me. I get bombed with the other sand slaves.

"Nationalists" don't see everyone as an equally deserving target of war...most of us see them as unfortunate casualties of your compatriots asshattery.  We'd rather not have to kill -them-. It hurts us, it weighs on us. We're not even happy with the drone pilots...makes life harder for everyone.

If islamists would stop hiding in soft cover, soft cover wouldn't have to die. Spread the word.

(January 25, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(January 25, 2018 at 3:21 pm)Wololo Wrote: Because you are more moral than most religious people. You do what is right because it is right, not out of fear of punishment.

Well, I'd like to think so, and if others think similarly then that's a trend I'm content to follow. I do have to say I'm thankful that I don't need to consult a book, or a figment of someone's imagination, to find out what I'm not meant to do each day.

Books can be recited, read and re-written in the culture. Transferred to you through culture.

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(January 25, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: IKR, like the reason that most of us -don't- molest children isn't because we're good people, or because we fear punishment if caught.

Just....don't......wanna.

some pedophiles disagree. They say their lust is natural.
Just like homosexuality, beastiality,...etc.

"Some pedophiles" appears to have a high overlap with holy men, like your Boy Mo...nevertheless...among the plebes like me..it's uncommon.

Why is that?

Bonus points for connecting pedophilia with homosexuality and bestiality. Much bigot, very impressed. I'm sure someone is super proud of you.....you ignorant piece of shit..

(January 26, 2018 at 2:29 am)Khemikal Wrote: "Some pedophiles" appears to have a high overlap with holy men, like your Boy Mo...nevertheless...among the plebes like me..it's uncommon.

Why is that?

Bonus points for connecting pedophilia with homosexuality and bestiality.  Much bigot, very impressed.  I'm sure someone is super proud of you.....you ignorant piece of shit..

And nice of you to bring pedophilia in a discussion about cartels skinning a man.
A post that exposes that modern secular governments use terrorism under different names.
A post that exposes that you intentionally turned your back to the cartels, and crossed the oceans to contribute in the murder of innocent iraqi civilians.
A post that exposes that piloting a high-tech jet, and wearing a fancy suit, does not cloak the savagery and the terrorism. Cartels in different outfits; that's all.

You are the only ignorant piece of shit here; and most of all: a coward one; too.
Cartels too scary for you?

And yes. Pedophilia is a sexual act; just like beastiality and homosexuality. It's not the sex that we oppose; it's the moral.
Sex is an ability most humans have.

Fucking kids is wrong. Fucking animals is wrong. Fucking men is wrong. Each has a degree. And each is wrong to me for different reasons.

But the act of fucking; is an act of fucking. So homosexuality and pedophilia and normal sex are nothing but a male/female humping a thing.
If the thing is a woman; then it's regular sex.
If the thing is a hamster, it's beastiality.
If the thing is a kid, it's pedophilia.
If the thing is a hand; that's masturbation.
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(January 26, 2018 at 2:15 am)Khemikal Wrote: "Nationalists" don't see everyone as an equally deserving target of war...most of us see them as unfortunate casualties of your compatriots asshattery.  We'd rather not have to kill -them-.  It hurts us, it weighs on us.  We're not even happy with the drone pilots...makes life harder for everyone.

If islamists would stop hiding in soft cover, soft cover wouldn't have to die.  Spread the word.

The only difference then between terrorists and nationalists; is that the first are bolder in condemning the dead, while the latter bullshits more.
i.e the first fuck you while angry. The latter fuck you with a smile. Both are demons. Both are drenched to the teeth in genocides and utter brutalization for the most idiotic reasons ever.

(January 25, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 25, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Where exactly did I say the words you are putting in my mouth?  
Goal of religion isn't to get rid of humanity, it's goal is to make people be submissive to authority.


Regarding your morality based on religion, you've got it the other way around, your choice of religion is based on and conforms with your morality. You weren't born a catholic, you were raised a catholic. The heathens here don't go around raping, murdering people despite not believing in your religion, and you wouldn't either because good people are good irrespective of their religious affiliations.

Sorry, you made it sound like losing my humanity would be the final step of/intention of my faith, if I were to go that far.

I suppose you are right about the goal of my faith being to be "submissive to authority." Though that's an interesting way of putting it. Most of us would say that the goal is to strive to live by God's commandments... and I was taught that God commands us to love other people and do good for other people. Because all people have inherent dignity. Nearly all morality revolves around that basic fundamental principle.

Anyway, this whole interaction between you and I started because I told DownBeatDrum that religious ideals arent in and of themselves, inherently bad. It just depends on what the ideals are. Religious ideals can influence a person to do good or they can influence them to do bad, depending on what the religious ideals are... like any other ideals we live our life by. I'm still not sure how our discussion has followed that.

See the point I am trying to make is that religious ideals are not exactly the same as other ideals because with other ideals people are choosing the ideals of their own volition entirely, bad people are drawn to bad ideals and vice-versa, but with religious ideals, even good people can come under the influence of bad ideals quite easily because they have been conditioned to be "submissive to authority".

(January 26, 2018 at 2:19 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 25, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Well, I'd like to think so, and if others think similarly then that's a trend I'm content to follow. I do have to say I'm thankful that I don't need to consult a book, or a figment of someone's imagination, to find out what I'm not meant to do each day.

Books can be recited, read and re-written in the culture. Transferred to you through culture.

Thank you for recognising that the book that stops you from committing atrocities could have been subject to revision in the past and can be in the future.

I repeat, I don't need any book, or indeed any kind of external authority, to make be a decent human being. Why do you think you do?