(January 26, 2018 at 12:00 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Had us going, Neo.  I knew you were an atheist at heart.  Or maybe you're of two minds?

Although, I am a passionate defender of the 5 Ways, I am still a mystic at heart. Reason can only take one so far.

Mysticism without reason and it's discipline leads to worship of Iblis, like it has with the Islamic mystics who call people to themselves but are anything but guided.

Reason makes you assess yourself properly.

The problem with Atheists, they approach that most sacred question by definition (God being defined to be that most important and sacred being), with playful attitude.

They take the warnings of their attitude with jest as well. In this laughter where every proof is mocked and the reality they are connected to is taking as some sort of joke, in the hearts, they know God is true. They always knew. But they are so use to lying to themselves, fact from fiction has become impossible to distinguish.

What they truly know and what they don't, is all confused in one big mess of conjecture.

The Quran has but one requirement really to enter heaven, and that is to be truthful, and when one is truthful they both hope in seeing the truth and striving from it and fear the consequences of insincerity, apathy, and will realize they are defined by a perfect absolute judge who sees them exactly as they are while no one else has the precise vision and measurement.

"whoever comes with truthfulness and is honest thereby by it, so then these are they who guard..."

Atheists want to deceive themselves and others they are sincere to the question and will accept if and only if evidence is presented. And when evidence is presented, they either turn away and don't digest, or if they do, deny and mock the most essential truths that form the core of who we are.

Yes, we *all* know you are correct in *every* detail and are just being obstinate.

Wrong.

Perhaps you should learn to be honest with yourself and realize there are others who do not see the universe as you do.

(January 26, 2018 at 2:42 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 12:00 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Had us going, Neo.  I knew you were an atheist at heart.  Or maybe you're of two minds?

Although, I am a passionate defender of the 5 Ways, I am still a mystic at heart. Reason can only take one so far.

If you define reason according to the way dark forces want, but reason encompasses mysticism, while there are irrational forms of mysticism (infinite ways of irrational forms of mysticism), reason is the only true mysticism that will guide. 

It at the heart is the name of God, it was Jesus in the past, it was Elijah who took the position of the holy spirit after, and the praised one who was to be sent was also instance of the name of God and holy spirit (Mohammad), and his 12 successrs are all instances of the name of God and reliable reason and logic to be downloaded information from, and reflection ought to facilitate knowledge, like shadows disappear by the sun.

Reason is a means to reflect and conclude firmly, and at the heart of it, we ought to make those who are the means to God the eyes by which we see, with no difference between the witness and vision of what we see, we call by them, for they are the beautiful names that belong to God, that is each one of them is the name of God just as Samuel was (Samuel means name of God).

The path to knowledge is the path of annihilating the dark ego and falsehood, and that is praised a millions times more then anything else, while the path to God, through the likes of Abraham, is belittled.

If you want me to stop laughing, stop saying funny things.

(January 26, 2018 at 3:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If you want me to stop laughing, stop saying funny things.

Your sense of humor is dwarfed by the dark magic which you naturally will find funny for me to say as well. When the warnings of mockery of warnings are funny in themselves, then I don't think much can be done. 

It's irrational when what isn't sure to begin with, to assess what likely is true by the same conjecture, but you are so immersed in conjecture, that, not much can be done. It's circular reasoning to assess the likelihood of what is true by what you already think it likely to be true.

So find a means and seek a light, lad.

I'm not sure that a person talking about dark magic can be relied upon as an authority on what is or isn't rational. Point of interest, what level does the priest have to be to cast dispel on my debuff? Would it be raid wide or single target?

(January 26, 2018 at 4:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm not sure that a person talking about dark magic can be relied upon as an authority on what is or isn't rational.

If you are looking for authority without decisive proof from God, you are already lost. I certainly am not an authority regarding reason, logic, morality or anything pertaining to guidance including Quran and Islam.

(January 26, 2018 at 4:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm not sure that a person talking about dark magic can be relied upon as an authority on what is or isn't rational.  Point of interest, what level does the priest have to be to cast dispel on my debuff?  Would it be raid wide or single target?

Hey, can I call you Lad now too, lad?

I don;t think you're blowing anyone's mind, above.  I already knew you weren't an authority on anything.  You just keep talking, though, don't you?

-and that's why I keep laughing. See, it's you, not demon magic. Just you. You're a funny guy.