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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 12:49 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 12:35 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: One of the (many) things I don't understand about Christianity is the notion of wanting Jesus to be your lord. To want to genuflect before him and be ruled over by him. As an American, the idea of a central, non-democratically elected leader is completely anathema to my beliefs, and it confuses me that so many self-proclaimed patriots here seem so willing to be lorded over in a divine sense. IMO, a beneficial dictator is still a dictator.
So, Christians of AF, why do you want to be lorded over by Jesus? Why is this something you desire?
I work for a wise and benevolent dictator, and it's the best job I've ever had. I'll never leave.
Spoken like a true slave.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm
To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:02 pm
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..and this, ladies and gentleman, is why true believers probably shouldn't be allowed in government......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:03 pm
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:04 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
But you can never seem to see the downside of such misplaced devotion.
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They were every bit as convinced as you.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:13 pm
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(January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
The method of delivery is also important, IMO. A feudal system or dictatorship being necessary makes me question if the result will be as good as is being claimed.
(January 30, 2018 at 10:03 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (January 30, 2018 at 5:59 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I find absolute rule abhorrent because it eliminates individual agency. People/souls should have a say in how they live their lives, or, in this case, spend eternity. For me, there's really no such thing as a beneficial dictatorship, as the state of dictatorship is itself undesirable. And, I believe, should be undesirable to anyone.
I also have a problem with a god who supposedly values free will, but demands we abandon it as the only path to salvation. It's incoherent at best.
I don't think that I understand what you mean by individual agency here. How is this different between you and I? How about someone under an earthly kingdom or dictatorship? I am understanding "individual agency" as independent, and capable of choice. However I can't make sense of this in regards to how a dictatorship eliminates this (at least no more than any other form of government). I'm unsure if this part is related, but I don't believe that I have given up my free will either; I do know people who I believe to be saved, and all of them have free will. And I don't have any reason to believe that we will not have free will after sanctification. I think you may be misunderstanding something here.
Someone living in an earthly dictatorship or kingdom typically has little to no individual agency. I mean, you're aware North Korea exists, correct? Saudi Arabia?
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To the OP, I must admit, I don't get why some have such a hard time understanding this...
If you confidently believed that something was really good and pure and would bring the ultimate fulfillment, wouldn't you want to follow it?
The method of delivery is also important, IMO. A feudal system or dictatorship being necessary makes me question if the result will be as good as is being claimed.
Im not sure what you mean about dictatorship being necessary? I've never heard of it that way before in all my years being christian.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:21 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 1:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: The method of delivery is also important, IMO. A feudal system or dictatorship being necessary makes me question if the result will be as good as is being claimed.
Im not sure what you mean about dictatorship being necessary? I've never heard of it that way before in all my years being christian.
Because all the literature is about Jesus being Lord.
I also don't see much of a difference between a kingdom and dictatorship. Aside from the title, it's essentially the same - an individual ruler above all others.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:22 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 12:44 pm)alpha male Wrote: You find that funny because...?
Basically people are just saying that dictatorship is necessarily an undesirable state of affairs without giving reasons.
The OP gave reasons, Alpha.
OK, America. To which I reply - we experience many more power relationships than just the federal government. I gave an example of one that is working out great for me. Another, more common example of a benevolent dictatorship would be parenting.
I think people aren't actually considering the "benevolent" part.
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
January 31, 2018 at 1:28 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:22 pm)alpha male Wrote: I think people aren't actually considering the "benevolent" part.
Maybe they read the Old Testament.
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