(March 8, 2018 at 3:37 am)Astreja Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth.

You seem to be incapable of treating us with sufficient respect to consider that we are not withholding truth from ourselves on purpose -- we are merely utterly unconvinced by the batshit-insane claims that you and other believers make about a being that we sincerely believe to be no more than a figment of the human imagination.

For that libel against non-believers, I think you should slander the Holy Spirit in your dreams one night very soon, and lose the salvation you think you have.

Although I am quite convinced that you never possessed "salvation" in the first place and are not losing anything of actual worth.

 You are incapable of seeing the truth of which I speak of. Only God can reveal it to you and He has called me to witness to you so that you might hear His truth. I've heard and seen His truth and it is the most remarkable thing one can possess. I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling, if you knew anything about Christianity you would know the difference. You sure are hung up on dreams aren't you, must be some kind of problem, hope you can get that fixed. I guess if you stay on the path you are now that some day you will realize the value of salvation and wish you had received it before your death. Jesus said, "what does it profit a person to gain the whole world and lose your soul. The world is temporary and the next life is eternal whether you be in heaven or hell.

GC

We're "hung up on dreams", but you're on a mission from an invisible sky fairy that is so irrelevant that I haven't even noticed it once in my 40 years of life? The irony would be funny to you if you could see it.

What's the mission again? To save people from the wrath of that same sky fairy? No one is willingly going to walk into a torture room. If Jesus puts us in there, or watches as one of his lackies does, then it's his responsibility. If we have to kiss his ass so he won't torture us, then I'm out. He can do what he has to do. I don't trust the word of insane dictators.

If God needs your help to even convince us he is real, he must be feeble indeed. If he could stop playing hide-and-seek and come talk to us in a reasonable adult manner, that would be great.

(Yeah, yeah, atheists are so mean. All I did was walk into an atheist forum and preach to them, acting like a condescending douche, and they started calling me on my bullshit.)

You're wasting your time with this one, He's too far gone to even understand how offensive his ramblings are, and thinks he's doing us all a favour by being here.

Yeah, I don't think even a logical sledgehammer could knock his delusions loose.

He's on a mission to earn himself Jesus points, he should at least own up to that much. He doesn't care about us.

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: Okay Mr. Smarty, show me where in scripture God says we have to prove His existence to anyone. Christians can't even prove it to themselves, God reveals His existence to us, like I said it is His work. Then deluded one is the one who answered my post and wrote the above rubbish.

Spreading the word of god:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/spreading_the_word

Christians are tasked with spreading the word for the purpose of saving souls. If stands to reason that if the christian encounters a non-believer that the christian is tasked in ministering, proselytizing, in order to convince the non-believer of God's existence.

(March 8, 2018 at 5:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: You are incapable of seeing the truth of which I speak of. Only God can reveal it to you and He has called me to witness to you so that you might hear His truth. I've heard and seen His truth and it is the most remarkable thing one can possess. I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling, if you knew anything about Christianity you would know the difference. You sure are hung up on dreams aren't you, must be some kind of problem, hope you can get that fixed. I guess if you stay on the path you are now that some day you will realize the value of salvation and wish you had received it before your death. Jesus said, "what does it profit a person to gain the whole world and lose your soul. The world is temporary and the next life is eternal whether you be in heaven or hell.

GC

So, only God can reveal his truth to us but declines to attend to this matter himself. Instead, he sends a proxy.

God chooses you, of all people, to help us see this truth. But you are singularly bad at persuading anyone of anything. 

Your utter failure as God's representative can't be your (or God's) fault, so we must be 'incapable' of seeing this truth of which you speak. For that, we are to be punished eternally. Now step back, GC, put down the Kool-Aid, and think. What part of this scenario strikes you as not monstrously fucked up? 

I'm thinking this guy is a stooge. Not trying to be mean, but the spelling and grammar looks too good. These kind of crazies usually can't string two words together.

But in case he's real, and for all other "messengers of God" out there, here's a video I made a year or so ago. Wow, it's got one thumbs down and no thumbs up. 100% negative feedback. Oh well!

(March 8, 2018 at 5:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: You are incapable of seeing the truth of which I speak of.

No, *you* are incapable of considering that maybe, just maybe, you don't actually have truth.

Quote: I can't lose my salvation because I've already answered the Holy Spirits calling.

Fuck you and fuck the Holy Spirit, who is in my mind no better than Satan -- both fictional beings that screw around inside humans' thoughts to influence their behaviour.

Quote:I guess if you stay on the path you are now that some day you will realize the value of salvation and wish you had received it before your death.

And once again you resort to a holier-than-thou threat.

You are a truly despicable person.  I hope you lose *everything* -- job, friends, family, and faith.  Really.  I do not tolerate people who try to bully people into professing religious faith, and it would be extremely satisfying to know that life had given you your just deserts.

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 7, 2018 at 7:09 am)Lutrinae Wrote: A convenient, rubbish, apologetic that frees the believer from any intellectual responsibility.  The same untruthful line could be used to personally validate belief in anything, and has been used to such an extent even especially by mentally ill people who prefer delusion over reality.

Okay Mr. Smarty, show me where in scripture God says we have to prove His existence to anyone. Christians can't even prove it to themselves, God reveals His existence to us, like I said it is His work. Then deluded one is the one who answered my post and wrote the above rubbish.

GC

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(March 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: In 1979, in music college, a professor told us "Never, under any circumstances, take a church job.  BUT! We're musicians, and we have to eat.  So most of you will."  (-- I should have changed majors right there. ) There are atheist church musician support groups - I'm a member of one.  It's impossible to guess how many of us there are, obviously, since in order to keep our weekend jobs we can't be "out".  (There are a lot of gay church musicians too.)  In the Bible Belt, the best guess is 20% of church musicians.  Some of my friends in Boston and LA are sure that the number of atheist church musicians is more than 50%.

Anyone who claims to have a personal relationship with an entity that cannot be seen, heard, or felt, and needs a human being to tell other human beings what its wants and needs are . . . oh yeah, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.  And, of course, that's a basic tenet of logic and debate.  You have been told this dozens of times on this forum, but you stubbornly dispute it, because you cannot prove your pet deity exists.

 I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth. I can tell you this I doubt you will find many atheist musicians in Southern Baptist churches. You treat me as if I'm stupid, yet you play music as an atheist every Sunday morning for something you do not even believe in, so who is the traitor to their own beliefs, I bet the churches you play for do not know you are an atheist, do they, bet you just go about acting out the part of a Christian just to get paid,a double standard that is nothing short of a lie. Have you no shame, pretending to be something you are not, betraying who you are and you all call me crazy.

GC

Oh, I have been trying for years to find a job that will pay me enough to insure that I never have to set foot into the loony-bin again.  (I even got a second Masters to make this happen.  Don't try to change careers in your 50's.  Not a good idea.)  I personally know two atheists who entertain the "Southern Baptists" every weekend, and that's just in our little town.  Yes, it's irritating.  But I do take notes on the readings and interpretations for my journal of "idiotic things that I have heard from the pulpit" - our atheist musician group meets every other month, and our notes make for a lot of hilarity.  That helps.  Most of the choir members and director know I don't believe, and they like me anyway.

As many of us here have said, we're not "deliberately blinding ourselves to the truth".  We honestly don't think your sky fairy exists.  No evidence.  That goes for those of us who were raised Southern Baptist.  I personally feel as if I have been freed from a delusion.  There is no god.  There is no afterlife.  

You cannot prove your imaginary friend exists. Then what are you doing here, preaching to a bunch of atheists who think you sound like a kid who is screaming because we just told him Santa Claus doesn't exist?  All you do is call us stupid and say that "the scriptures" (lol) say this or don't say that.  As if that offensive book has any meaning.  It seems to me that you just think you have all the answers, you're "blessed" (a term that means my imaginary friend loves me better than those guys over there), and that you really get off on telling people that they are WRONG and you are RIGHT and "I don't have any proof and I don't have to give any proof".  Pathetic.

(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth because they hate God.

You left out my bolded. We've heard it so many times I know it by heart.