Quote:I can't see that as a viable possibility.

No one cares 

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Quote:Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.

Nope it's not even a serious possibility

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Quote:The evidence is life itself.

Nope life is not evidence of ID

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Quote:Actually life itself is evidence that it was created by intelligent design and not happenstance. Even if scientists could make a living organism out of inorganic matter it would be by intelligent design and not happenstance.

Nope 

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Quote:Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.

False analogy and Hoyle's fallacy

(March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: On second thought, "Goddidit" isn't good enough to be called a hypothesis.  "Theory" is right out.

Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.

Deciding what is possible is a bit beyond your pay grade, don’t you think? Or tell us exactly what you think qualifies you to know these things. Did you find the answers in ancient goatherder’s collection of Jewish folk tails? No one here is the least bit interested in what you find in that musty old bible of yours.

There is a significant difference between having an answer and having a clue how to determine the correct answer. You have ready answers to questions you don’t understand. What you keep calling “happenstance” is just more stuff you don’t understand. But no one can convince you of that because you are information proof.

(March 10, 2018 at 10:30 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You keep saying that, but I haven't seen you argue logically why that is. Put in some effort into your argument. Maybe then, we can finally figure out what exactly you mean by "happenstance".

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Life is evidence that it exists, not evidence that it came from God.

Actually life itself is evidence that it was created by intelligent design and not happenstance. Even if scientists could make a living organism out of inorganic matter it would be by intelligent design and not happenstance.

Holy, POE.

(March 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:30 pm)He lives Wrote: Actually life itself is evidence that it was created by intelligent design and not happenstance. Even if scientists could make a living organism out of inorganic matter it would be by intelligent design and not happenstance.

You still haven't made a compelling case for your position. Don't be lazy. If you're just going to assert things over and over again, you might as well use the time to make a proper logically valid argument for once.

I am sure you would find my logically valid argument illogical. IANDS

Quote:I an sure you would find my logically valid argument illogical. IANDS

It won't be logically valid . But i'm sure you will proclaim it is anyway  

(March 10, 2018 at 11:12 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You still haven't made a compelling case for your position. Don't be lazy. If you're just going to assert things over and over again, you might as well use the time to make a proper logically valid argument for once.

I am sure you would find my logically valid argument illogical. IANDS

So you're not even going to bother. You're just going to assert over and over and over, and fuck everything we're saying. If that's the case, why come here then, if you don't want to properly debate?

(March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: Wait for it.  Modern genetics is a comparatively new science, only about 70 years out from the first experiments, and already there's been RNA synthesis in laboratory.  DNA is next.

Got any evidence for your alleged god that doesn't reference a certain book with an undead rabbi, an imaginary flood and a Talking Snake™?

The evidence is life itself.

Nope.  Life is evidence for life.  It isn't evidence for gods.

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(March 10, 2018 at 10:11 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: On second thought, "Goddidit" isn't good enough to be called a hypothesis.  "Theory" is right out.

Intelligent design is the only realistic possibility. Happenstance is an impossibility.

Intelligent design isn't a possibility at all until you have demonstrated that gods or god-like beings actually exist.

Then you have a new problem:  Where did the god(s) or god-like beings come from?

By the way, there is nothing "happenstance" about organic chemistry.  Chemical processes are quite explainable and fairly regular in their operation, rather than being random.

(March 10, 2018 at 10:43 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:26 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Or given enough time, and the right conditions, came about gradually via purely natural processes.

I can't see that as a viable possibility.

Can you show us how this is not a viable possibility?

(March 10, 2018 at 10:24 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Compared to what?

Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.

If the cosmos is designed, how come so much occurs by happenstance? Why is our solar system a hodge-podge of asteroids, gas clouds, and comets? If it were designed, wouldn't it more resemble the model of heavenly spheres put forth by Ptolemy? You look at what is orderly in the universe and ignore what is disorderly. If it is all by a cosmic designer, why are some parts of the universe so messy?

Why is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe inhospitable to life?

(March 11, 2018 at 1:22 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 10:24 pm)He lives Wrote: Happenstance is like the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747. You have probably already. However, DNA molecules are very complex. Complex enough that they must have been designed by some intelligence.

If the cosmos is designed, how come so much occurs by happenstance? Why is our solar system a hodge-podge of asteroids, gas clouds, and comets? If it were designed, wouldn't it more resemble the model of heavenly spheres put forth by Ptolemy? You look at what is orderly in the universe and ignore what is disorderly. If it is all by a cosmic designer, why are some parts of the universe so messy?

Why is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe inhospitable to life?

All you need to do refute this is to point out it's a strawman