This will probably give you a hint, Grand.

Quote:The Journal of Near-Death Studies is a quarterly peer-reviewed academic journal devoted to the field of near-death studies. It is published by the International Association for Near-Death Studies.[

Yeah.  That makes sense.  It's what amounts to a circle jerk.

Quote:The reason I came to this forum was to let everyone know that there is no way to prove that intelligent design or abiogenesis is correct.

This is both false and absurd 

Quote: One must have faith that one or the other is correct. 

Nope you require faith . You and only you 

Quote:I have stated my reasoning and you have stated yours. 

You have stated no reasons only baseless opinions 

Quote:By the way IANDS is not garbage

Yes it is a garbage organization for a garbage subject 

Quote:IANDS has been around many years and is a very reputable international organization

So has flat earth society. Their reputation is among quacks and fools.   

Quote:They have done a huge amount of research all over the world.

Searching for confirmation bias is not research . You have a very low threshold for research. 

Quote:are available from the IANDS Store. Journal of Near-Death Studies The Journal of Near-Death Studies is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal...........

Peer reviewed by who? peer review does not mean high standards . If your peers are a group of motivated quacks .

(March 11, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 7:25 pm)He lives Wrote: That does not surprise me that you rejected this because it is not peer reviewed, so here is one just for you: https://iands.org/component/finder/searc...Itemid=673



Resources on Near-Death and Related Experiences

are available from the IANDS Store. Journal of Near-Death Studies The Journal of Near-Death Studies is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal...........

Peer-reviewed by whom? Peer-reviewed does not always mean scientific.

Science does not have all of the answers. Some people believe that scientists know how life began, but they don't know. There are many scientific hypothesis regarding the beginning of life and none of them are provable. So if you want proof you are not going to find it.

Quote:Science does not have all of the answers.

Yup if it did there would be no reason to do science .

Quote:Some people believe that scientists know how life began,but they don't know

We are solving that at a goodly clip regardless of what luddites like yourself would have us believe

Quote:There are many scientific hypothesis regarding the beginning of life and none of them are provable. 

Their are many good founded theories that are highly likely and all of them can meet scientific standards.

Quote:So if you want proof you are not going to find it.

Your ignorant luddite opinion and one shared by every fool ho said" science will not do it " It made a fool of them and it will likely make a fool of you . 

Are idea are not equal so stop pretending your crap is on the same level .

(March 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Peer-reviewed by whom? Peer-reviewed does not always mean scientific.

Science does not have all of the answers. Some people believe that scientists know how life began, but they don't know. There are many scientific hypothesis regarding the beginning of life and none of them are provable. So if you want proof you are not going to find it.

This is true:

Scientist don't know how life began.. Scientists are looking for the answer to how life began, but they don't know the real reason yet.

This is also true:

Theists don't know how life began. But! Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began. And they will never know the real answer, even if scientists eventually work out what it was and share their findings with the public.

Scientists don't know and admit they don't know.

Theists don't know but think they do.

One of these groups is claiming knowledge they don't have, and it ain't scientists.

(March 11, 2018 at 8:28 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:The reason I came to this forum was to let everyone know that there is no way to prove that intelligent design or abiogenesis is correct.

This is both false and absurd 

Quote:It is neither false or absurd. In case you are not aware scientists have not created life out of inorganic material. abiogenesis has not been substantiated therefore it is a belief. You have stated your opinion and made many false assumptions.

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(March 11, 2018 at 9:06 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 8:55 pm)He lives Wrote: Science does not have all of the answers. Some people believe that scientists know how life began, but they don't know. There are many scientific hypothesis regarding the beginning of life and none of them are provable. So if you want proof you are not going to find it.

This is true:

Scientist don't know how life began.. Scientists are looking for the answer to how life began, but they don't know the real reason yet.

This is also true:

Theists don't know how life began. But! Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began. And they will never know the real answer, even if scientists eventually work out what it was and share their findings with the public.

Scientists don't know and admit they don't know.

Theists don't know but think they do.

One of these groups is claiming knowledge they don't have, and it ain't scientists.

Thank you for your honest answer. I would only disagree with two sentences "And they will never know the real answer" Eternity is a long time. That is why I do not believe the never part. The other one is "Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began" Many scientists are theists. Theists also want proof. Neither atheists or theists have that proof.

It's all you have at this point

I can't think of a single facet of jesusism that I would consider reasonable.

(March 11, 2018 at 9:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I can't think of a single facet of jesusism that I would consider reasonable.

More the opposite

 Jesusism unlike abiogenisis or evolution . You know reasonable scientific  conclusions . Has not a reasonable proposition to it's name

(March 11, 2018 at 9:11 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 11, 2018 at 9:06 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: This is true:

Scientist don't know how life began.. Scientists are looking for the answer to how life began, but they don't know the real reason yet.

This is also true:

Theists don't know how life began. But! Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began. And they will never know the real answer, even if scientists eventually work out what it was and share their findings with the public.

Scientists don't know and admit they don't know.

Theists don't know but think they do.

One of these groups is claiming knowledge they don't have, and it ain't scientists.

Thank you for your honest answer. I would only disagree with two sentences "And they will never know the real answer" Eternity is a long time. That is why I do not believe the never part. The other one is "Theists are not looking for the answer to how life began" Many scientists are theists. Theists also want proof. Neither atheists or theists have that proof.

Yeah, but eternity is not long enough to find the truth when you aren't looking for it. If you have decided that God created life and will not budge on that opinion, you will never learn the true answer if you are wrong. But if you admit that you don't know, and you continue your search for an answer, then and only then does it become possible for you to find one.

Of course many theists are scientists by profession. But they do not assume theism in their work, else they are crappy scientists. Theist or not, a scientist looks for proof. That's what scientists do. If one already holds a view because he or she has accepted a religious doctrine, then the search for proof stops there. The issue is more nuanced than this, because theists can be scientists by profession and put their theistic assumptions on hold while they conduct their work, but if they didn't do this, they wouldn't really be doing science.