(March 12, 2018 at 6:32 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 12, 2018 at 1:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I don't see any details that could not have been known without venturing into space.  His description is little more than a vague description of what an earth bound observer might expect to see if they were to view the earth from outer space.  All the details which Jung mentions could easily have been known without going into outer space by a well educated man like Carl Jung.  Exactly how is this a veridical perception as alluded to?  It's worth noting that Jung makes only passing mention of cloud cover over the Himalayas, unlike the ubiquitous cloud cover one would see from outer space (see image below).

However it is clear that Carl Jung did have a NDE and in that he perceived the earth from above.

So the fuck what? That doesn't demonstrate that what he "perceived" was veridical as opposed to being just something made up in his head.

Jesus Christ are you thick.

Quote:However it is clear that Carl Jung did have a NDE and in that he Imagined  the earth from above.

There fixed that

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Quote:It has spawned large  Confirmation bias scam at hospitals in many countries. 

Their fixed that

(March 12, 2018 at 6:35 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I saw a rabbit get pulled out of a hat once.

Once I was a bowl of petunias; and in forty years no one has made the slightest attempt to prove me wrong.

(March 12, 2018 at 3:22 pm)He lives Wrote:

(March 12, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Astreja Wrote:   Posting the same bloody link in a larger font just makes you look like an idiot, so cut it out.

It is important to reference where a quote is located.

To me, the universe is beautiful because it is in constant change, not because it stays the same.  I have no use for (and no desire for) life after death, none at all.

That will be all the more surprising to you as it was to Howard Storm.

No, I don't expect to be surprised at all.  At brain death, all awareness and cognition simply stops, making it impossible to be surprised.

When I'm dead I expect to be not only merely dead, but to be really most sincerely dead.

And I hate to break it to you, but Howard Storm is still alive and still shilling his silly story.  By virtue of being not dead yet he is unqualified to speak of life after death.

A reasonable, though irrational belief for Christians would be believing in god, Jesus, resurrection, global floods and that kind of thing.

(March 12, 2018 at 11:06 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: ...reasonable, though irrational...

(March 12, 2018 at 8:38 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(March 12, 2018 at 11:39 am)He lives Wrote: Although anecdotal evidence is not proof, it is still evidence. It has spawned large research projects at hospitals in many countries. I am confident that the proof is there and is forthcoming. I wonder if any atheists will engage in this research.

You treat atheists as if they've closed their minds off to certain possibilities. This is a mischaracterization. By-and-large, we are a skeptical crowd. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The problem with relying on anecdotal evidence is that it can be used to support untrue claims. It can be a good starting point for investigations, but not a good finishing point. As I pointed out before, claims about alien abduction and bigfoot rely on such evidence.

Don't treat us like we are unwilling to engage in substantiated claims. Don't treat us like we carry around prejudices. You know as well as I do that theists are the ones who typically don't give the other side a fair shake. I, personally, have challenged myself to take a good hard look at many theistic claims, and I still do so to this day. You treat atheists like a group of prejudiced individuals, unwilling to look at the other side, when the truth is, we've taken a good hard look at the other side of the argument and we're tired of it.

It's time for the theistic community to meet us half way. Until then, unless you have extraordinary evidence, please don't bother us with your extraordinary claims.

Thank you for your honest appraisal. I respect your intellectual views. Some posts I do not answer because they are rude, crude, closed minded and or childish. I know some of the Christians are of the same nature and it bothers me. I know that alien abduction and bigfoot rely on anecdotal evidence, by the same token abiogenesis has no more evidence than intelligent design has. Certainly there is no  proof that life was created by spontaneous generation.

(March 13, 2018 at 1:03 am)He lives Wrote: ...Thank you for your honest appraisal. I respect your intellectual views. Some posts I do not answer because they are rude, crude, closed minded and or childish. I know some of the Christians are of the same nature and it bothers me. I know that alien abduction and bigfoot rely on anecdotal evidence, by the same token abiogenesis has no more evidence than intelligent design has. Certainly there is no  proof that life was created by spontaneous generation.

As I said earlier, I'm mightily intrigued as to why you bother to use such odd coloured fonts. Seriously why do you do this?

Quote: by the same token abiogenesis has no more evidence than intelligent design has. Certainly there is no  proof that life was created by spontaneous generation.

Nope their is tons of evidence for Abiogenesis. Their is not a iota of evidence for ID . It's based solely on the wishful thinking of religious fanatics . And has no place calling itself a scientific idea .and the fact you don't understand the difference between spontaneous generation  and Abiogenesis says it all . 

 

Quote:Some posts I do not answer because they are rude, crude, closed minded and or childish.

No you don't answer because you can't answer . And using the fact we don't walk on eggshell with your absurd assertions as an excuse is just that.

(March 12, 2018 at 11:05 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(March 12, 2018 at 3:22 pm)He lives Wrote: That will be all the more surprising to you as it was to Howard Storm.

No, I don't expect to be surprised at all.  At brain death, all awareness and cognition simply stops, making it impossible to be surprised.

When I'm dead I expect to be not only merely dead, but to be really most sincerely dead.

And I hate to break it to you, but Howard Storm is still alive and still shilling his silly story.  By virtue of being not dead yet he is unqualified to speak of life after death.

Thank you for your reply. At least you and Valkyrie engage in intellectual conversation unlike some of the other posters in this thread. I have always wondered why atheist are so adamant about spontaneous generation when there is no proof that it is even possible.