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Best Theistic Arguments
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May 11, 2018 at 9:37 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2018 at 9:49 am by Angrboda.)
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May 11, 2018 at 9:47 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2018 at 10:37 am by Little Rik.)
The guy clearly had a fetish for massages and hot milk. What we have evidence of, here, is that you;re a credulous loon, Rik.
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(May 11, 2018 at 8:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Since the following dogmas are foundational to your "system," it is obvious that you practice a religion. (May 11, 2018 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: You are not answering my question yog. In the first place, no I have not made such a claim. Second, even if I had, it would be irrelevant to the question of whether your beliefs are dogma or not. You're simply trying to sidetrack the conversation with irrelevant bullshit. (May 11, 2018 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: I on the other hand base my statements that life come from previous life. And I've repeatedly pointed out that you have not provided one bit of scientific evidence for your claim. Put up or shut up. (May 11, 2018 at 9:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: Einstein and other already made it clear that everything is made of vibrations. Einstein may have said, "Everything in life is vibration." That is not the same thing as saying that vibrations and energy are alive. Once again you claim that science says this or that without evidence that it does. Put up or shut up. Support your claims or accept the inevitable conclusion that your beliefs are based on dogma.  RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 11, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm by CapnAwesome.)
(April 8, 2018 at 5:29 pm)ShirkahnW Wrote: I am going to debate a theist over the existence of god soon. What are the best arguments you ever heard from theists? Any tips on what topic to avoid in such an discussion? Probably the best argument is that "the universe is set up for life" of course I don't believe that, but it's probably the most compelling to an undecided person. Also "life cannot come from non life" It really all depends on the type of theist your dealing with. They could have any number of arguments. Is this a deist or a young earth creationist? Jst watch some christian apologists debates and you'll get a good idea of their favorite arguments. ![[Image: dcep7c.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i46.tinypic.com%2Fdcep7c.jpg)
(May 11, 2018 at 11:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 11, 2018 at 8:13 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Since the following dogmas are foundational to your "system," it is obvious that you practice a religion. You are not answering the question. AS AN ATHEIST YOU DO MAKE A CLAIM BY SAYING THAT THERE IS NO CREATOR right? If there is no creator then life must come from non life, right?  Where is the non life yog?  CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ONCE AND FOR ALL? RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 13, 2018 at 12:08 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2018 at 12:12 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 13, 2018 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote:(May 11, 2018 at 11:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Support your claims or accept the inevitable conclusion that your beliefs are based on dogma. So what you're saying is that you believe that both your worldview and mine are based on dogma and therefore they are both wrong. Is that correct? 
The best evidence for anything godlike has to do with our conscious interface with our identity or overall consciousness. In that there is reason to think consciousness goes on without our conscious involvement. Dreams, hallucinations, sudden insight and creative inspiration are all evidence of a depth of consciousness which isn’t a product of any deliberate choice we’ve made. If you want to call that God okay, but then how about dialing back the claims made regarding the attributes and powers of God accordingly. Oh and just toss out the Bible.
The best argument for God is the pantheistic one which says that God is the Universe
This differs from classical theism which just says that the Universe is evidence of God The first premise of the Kalam is false and the second premise is not proven That renders the argument invalid and the discussion should then end there
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
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