I suppose we can add "too many doors" to this.

Has the kid or his parents talk about motive yet?

(May 19, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 19, 2018 at 6:27 pm)henryp Wrote: He's not wrong.  If you're looking for some practical short term solutions, making sure people are all entering through the door with the armed guard, rather than coming in some other door seems pretty reasonable.

Even if every gun in the US were rounded up and melted, it'd still be a good idea to limit the number of ways to access the school from a safety point of view. 

I get you want to focus on getting rid of guns, but that doesn't seem imminent and knowing the US government if something is done, it will be something stupid rather than something that truly addresses the problem.  So putting all the eggs in that basket is probably misguided.

Limiting the means of access to a school leads to additional deaths in the case of a fire.  Don't be stupid.  Safety point of view my ass.

In addition to which, it creates a bottleneck in case of a shooter outside the school.

The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.

Boru

Does Lt. Governor Numbnutz want metal detectors, too?  Haven't seen anything about that.

(May 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 19, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Limiting the means of access to a school leads to additional deaths in the case of a fire.  Don't be stupid.  Safety point of view my ass.

In addition to which, it creates a bottleneck in case of a shooter outside the school.

The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.

Boru

Emergency exits aren't a new invention.  Not having a bunch of doors you can just walk into the school through doesn't literally mean one door to the school.

And guns are the problem.  But the problem isn't going away any time soon.  It's fine to complain about it, but that's not helping anyone in the short term.

Set an incendiary bomb in one part of the school. Cover one of the few exits. Set off the bomb. Wait for the stampede. Fire into the mass of students. My parakeet could tally a fair few kills in that scenario.

(May 19, 2018 at 8:01 pm)henryp Wrote:

(May 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In addition to which, it creates a bottleneck in case of a shooter outside the school.

The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.

Boru

Emergency exits aren't a new invention.  Not having a bunch of doors you can just walk into the school through doesn't literally mean one door to the school.

And guns are the problem.  But the problem isn't going away any time soon.  It's fine to complain about it, but that's not helping anyone in the short term.

Neither are thoughts and fucking prayers.

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Not exactly my idea of working.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/texas-s...es-worked/

Quote:Texas school where 10 died was ‘hardened target’ with two armed guards — school board says ‘policies and procedures worked’

(May 18, 2018 at 11:32 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 18, 2018 at 3:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I would personally not want to live in the US because of the piss poor lack of social health care. its like its a third world country.
Pay some tax and get health cover. 
Whats wrong with that?

A lot of Americans who don't like social programs are against them because black people might benefit.

Have you ever noticed that it's generally white kids who shoot up schools?  Maybe they get nervous in a diverse setting?  It'll be interesting to research their family backgrounds for Jim Crow involvement.

This seems like a laughable shot in the dark as far as theories about school shooters go.  I have a full book of school shooters going back decades and nervousness in a diverse setting isn't something I can imagine playing a part.  

It's usually bullying, mental problems, family issues or just general teenage violence and emotions combined with access to guns.  Mostly they don't come from racially diverse settings, they usually go to mainly white schools with mainly white victims.

(May 19, 2018 at 7:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I suppose we can add "too many doors" to this.

I wonder how long it takes before the right takes the same tack it's used to paint Latinos and Muslims (and blacks, to a more implicit extent) as evil and just decides Americans are intrinsically ax-crazy as a race.

(May 19, 2018 at 8:01 pm)henryp Wrote:

(May 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In addition to which, it creates a bottleneck in case of a shooter outside the school.

The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.  The problem is guns.

Boru

Emergency exits aren't a new invention.  Not having a bunch of doors you can just walk into the school through doesn't literally mean one door to the school.

Quote:Fire fighters have cited overzealous guards who told people during a fire that they are not allowed to use emergency exits. The practice is actually quite common in the absence of fires, as well. Some skyscrapers have stairwells with standard emergency exit signs on each door, which then lock upon closing. Users of these stairwells are trapped, whether they know or do not know that the only door that opens from the inside is the one on the ground floor.

A further problem becoming very common in the USA (2005) is that retail stores at night close one of their main entrance/exits through makeshift heavy metal barriers, signage, paper notes, or junk placed in front of the exits. Some actually lock their exits. A large array of signage and mechanical exit systems have also been devised, including signage that says contradictorily, "This is not an exit," "Do not use this exit," or warning users that a heavy penalty will be assessed for non-emergency use.

Some systems do not allow the exit to be opened until the user signals the intention to exit (through a button or lever) for some amount of time, such as 20 seconds. It is also common for these exits to remain completely locked until somebody tests them.

Wikipedia || Emergency exit

Quote:The Stardust fire was a fatal fire which took place at the Stardust nightclub in Artane, Dublin, Ireland in the early hours of 14 February (Valentine's Day) 1981. Some 841 people had attended a disco there, of whom 48 died and 214 were injured as a result of the fire....The attendees at a trade union function taking place in the same building made their escape but the escape of some of the Stardust patrons was hampered by a number of obstructions. Some of the main fire exits were padlocked around the push bars and consequently were impossible to open.

Stardust fire