The point is that one shouldn't have to change in order to appease the selfishness of someone else. Individuality should be accepted and respected.

(June 5, 2018 at 12:33 pm)Kit Wrote: The point is that one shouldn't have to change in order to appease the selfishness of someone else.  Individuality should be accepted and respected.

That is a better argument then the no choice one.

But I don't think it should be accepted and respected, but rather just tolerated by society.

Should we tolerate you, though?  Who needs it more?  The guy who likes peener...or the terrible motherfucker who calls him evil on account of it?

(June 5, 2018 at 12:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That is a better argument then the no choice one.

But I don't think it should be accepted and respected, but rather just tolerated by society.

I think I'll go draw a picture of Mohammed fucking Jesus now.

You bring a good point. You guys tolerate religions and my views, but don't respect it. You believe it's me tricking myself or giving into delusional thought.

I believe homosexuality is succumbing to deceptive lies about oneself from Iblis and then living your life on those lies, and then yes, you state does change and your brain is neuro-plastic, so it will change too.

However, the worse crime out of the whole thing, is killing or torturing or not allowing gays to speak openly about their gayness, that should not be allowed.

Strangely....I don;t know too many gay guys who hear the devil whispering in their ear "put it in your mouth".  You;re the only person I know of who claims to be in communication with evil...and then you say evil things.

Coincidence?

(June 5, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Strangely....I don;t know too many gay guys who hear the devil whispering in their ear "put it in your mouth".  You;re the only person I know of who claims to be in communication with evil...and then you say evil things.

Coincidence?

Must not be. 

(June 5, 2018 at 12:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You bring a good point. You guys tolerate religions and my views, but don't respect it. You believe it's me tricking myself or giving into delusional thought.

I believe homosexuality is succumbing to deceptive lies about oneself from Iblis and then living your life on those lies, and then yes, you state does change and your brain is neuro-plastic, so it will change too.

However, the worse crime out of the whole thing, is killing or torturing or not allowing gays to speak openly about their gayness, that should not be allowed.

The problem with being intolerant of homosexuality from a religious perspective is that the subjective bias is overwhelming while logic has been forsaken.. There is no objectivity, as should be expected. For instance, I am rationally and objectively intolerant of religion on the grounds that fantastical mythologies should not govern our lives.

The religiously deluded wipe their asses with rationality and objectivity.  They don;t care about that shit.

If anything was going to bother them, it would be the idea that they;ve been pissing off their vengeful god by telling all of these lies about his fabulous gay creations...and, worse, about him. So terrified of owning their own petty hatred, they put their evil into the mouth of the divine.

(June 5, 2018 at 12:47 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 5, 2018 at 12:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You bring a good point. You guys tolerate religions and my views, but don't respect it. You believe it's me tricking myself or giving into delusional thought.

I believe homosexuality is succumbing to deceptive lies about oneself from Iblis and then living your life on those lies, and then yes, you state does change and your brain is neuro-plastic, so it will change too.

However, the worse crime out of the whole thing, is killing or torturing or not allowing gays to speak openly about their gayness, that should not be allowed.

The problem with being intolerant of homosexuality from a religious perspective is that the subjective bias is overwhelming while logic has been forsaken..  There is no objectivity, as should be expected.  For instance, I am rationally objectively intolerant of religion on the grounds that fantastical mythologies should not govern our lives.

It's a matter of perspective, in that sense, you are right.

However, I believe data that is not spoken about does show it's psychological and not genetic. That's objective wise.

I believe philosophically, it doesn't make sense to make this the one exception of an evil that would be evil where it not that no will can change the state.

So we are left with solely the dialogue on whether or not this state if chosen is right for human or wrong for human to take.

And then we can talk of the degree of wrongness.

I've said it before I truly believe the state of my madness and despair for so long is much greater injustice and sin than homosexuality.

It's more harmful to me and to society, and to my family, and it was forsaking sane reason and sane treading I knew was essential from a child, to that of irrationality and wildness and a state that seem attractive, but ended up being embracing a curse sword.

I believe me owning up to my sinful past is my way forward.

Of course, the analogy is not really right, because the homosexuality enjoys it's states as well and doesn't want to change and thinks it can't.....

But when I was going crazy and even when on meds, I believed the crazy wreck states I embraced were blessed states but they were not.