(June 17, 2018 at 10:16 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:15 am)Chad32 Wrote: It's a tool. It gives comfort, gives a way to explain things, even if it's inaccurate, and is a way for the powerful to control the masses. That's why it has endure long past its point of being obsolete.

It is a tool, and not the purpose, it's a tool to drive us to God and justice.

And I'd rather be controlled by the God, the True Master, and not the likes of Trump and the silly leaders people choose.

I'll take a democratically elected idiot over an untouchable dictator any day. Aside from the fact that out government system is more or less rigged towards the wealthy, and that your god dictator is just your personal interpretation of what a book written by men describes.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:27 am)Chad32 Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:16 am)MysticKnight Wrote: It is a tool, and not the purpose, it's a tool to drive us to God and justice.

And I'd rather be controlled by the God, the True Master, and not the likes of Trump and the silly leaders people choose.

I'll take a democratically elected idiot over an untouchable dictator any day. Aside from the fact that out government system is more or less rigged towards the wealthy, and that your god dictator is just your personal interpretation of what a book written by men describes.

I will submit to God as the true dictator and his kings he purifies and safeguards from all evils over all dumb choices of the likes you and other humans, who rebel against him.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:19 am)Kaloomi Wrote: Lets just ignore prayer for now. I am saying that the ideal that if you do bad in life that is gonna haunt you. And that some believe life has a purpose after you die. Prayer is just a spiritual aspect of that that has gotten into a requirement in those religions. What i mean is the older you get, the more the idea that if you dont worship this god, you are going to hell. The threat is there, what i suggest is something that can shatter that old view of tensions of the past with more obvious common sense of how we see humans as.

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Who gets to determine what is bad?

(June 17, 2018 at 10:39 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:19 am)Kaloomi Wrote: Lets just ignore prayer for now. I am saying that the ideal that if you do bad in life that is gonna haunt you. And that some believe life has a purpose after you die. Prayer is just a spiritual aspect of that that has gotten into a requirement in those religions. What i mean is the older you get, the more the idea that if you dont worship this god, you are going to hell. The threat is there, what i suggest is something that can shatter that old view of tensions of the past with more obvious common sense of how we see humans as.

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Who gets to determine what is bad?

No one determines that. Not even God. God is actually the embodiment of all praise, and he creates hues of praise that creation praise him by and forms from his Archetype with they are him/they are not reality and to what degree he is everything and to what degree there is nothing like him combination.

When God creates something, he makes it good and creates in truth, and gives it what it must guard. If we destroy the trusts of that nature, then we become something ugly and must seek to redeem and purify and purge our evil.

And the truth is Angels, some of them fell, and even animals and atoms choose through their spirit, to submit or rebel, even though they remain in God's control. And humans can't escape God's control and his justice no matter how much they try to do away with him nor can they determine their paths nor choose their leaders, though they are bold and playful to his trust of his images and holy spirits and leaders and names of his that he appoints to guide humanity and warn them of the dangers.

Why not? It's all made up anyway, so why not make it a happy fairy tale?

I'm thinking of becoming a secular Vaishnavite, focused on Krishna. Lots of great stories with that one.

Wanting to create a new religion is sort of like thinking to yourself, 'You know, the current raft of diseases in the world all have some kind of unsatisfying symptoms.  I sure wish someone would come up with a new debilitating disease to fill the void.'

Boru

(June 17, 2018 at 10:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Wanting to create a new religion is sort of like thinking to yourself, 'You know, the current raft of diseases in the world all have some kind of unsatisfying symptoms.  I sure wish someone would come up with a new debilitating disease to fill the void.'

Boru

Exactly, better to submit to God's proofs and insights, and download knowledge from his book by reflecting over the Quran a long side seeking answers from the family of the reminder.

Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

(June 17, 2018 at 11:01 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

QFT.

(June 17, 2018 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:27 am)Chad32 Wrote: I'll take a democratically elected idiot over an untouchable dictator any day. Aside from the fact that out government system is more or less rigged towards the wealthy, and that your god dictator is just your personal interpretation of what a book written by men describes.

I will submit to God as the true dictator and his kings he purifies and safeguards from all evils over all dumb choices of the likes you and other humans, who rebel against him.

Be my guest.

(June 17, 2018 at 11:16 am)Chad32 Wrote:

(June 17, 2018 at 10:28 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I will submit to God as the true dictator and his kings he purifies and safeguards from all evils over all dumb choices of the likes you and other humans, who rebel against him.

Be my guest.

The whole world will at a point, whether people try to obscure proofs provided by God or not, whether majority accepts the leader or not, it will happen, and if they choose to try to subdue and oppress the believers when they start the intellectual revolution when their leader returns, they will perish as did nations perish and get destroyed before them when they were provided clear proofs.

The Quran has wonders, it has incredible wonders.