Create a new monotheistic religion instead of clinging to the past of Abraham

[Kaloomi]

Lets just ignore prayer for now. I am saying that the ideal that if you do bad in life that is gonna haunt you. And that some believe life has a purpose after you die. Prayer is just a spiritual aspect of that that has gotten into a requirement in those religions. What i mean is the older you get, the more the idea that if you dont worship this god, you are going to hell. The threat is there, what i suggest is something that can shatter that old view of tensions of the past with more obvious common sense of how we see humans as.

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Who gets to determine what is bad?

Good point. But there are some obvious good or bad. You know, don't kill people to mention a few. But this religion would be self evident reasons for what is evil or good. Like i would say cannibalism is evil. Its trial and error form of struggle between right and wrong, something is just plain obvious more or less. Though this is a good question, but thats why we have history to learn as humans that humans have flaws, we are born the way we are but there are flaws more or less.

Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

Science can be considered made up too, but still its a made up tool to prove our physical existance because it explains our reality we live on based upon knowledge of what we can get from the world we live in. Just like philosophy is a tool people use to explain our purpose. Religion is philosophy that became dogmatic because they thought consequences had to exist for your actions. But that doesn't mean their truth is the real truth

[Chad32]

Be my guest.

The whole world will at a point, whether people try to obscure proofs provided by God or not, whether majority accepts the leader or not, it will happen, and if they choose to try to subdue and oppress the believers when they start the intellectual revolution when their leader returns, they will perish as did nations perish and get destroyed before them when they were provided clear proofs.

The Quran has wonders, it has incredible wonders.

Yeah, the bible says pretty much the same thing. Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is lord. Even you, Mystic, so you'd better get to converting. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see who is right in the end.

[Mystic]

The whole world will at a point, whether people try to obscure proofs provided by God or not, whether majority accepts the leader or not, it will happen, and if they choose to try to subdue and oppress the believers when they start the intellectual revolution when their leader returns, they will perish as did nations perish and get destroyed before them when they were provided clear proofs.

The Quran has wonders, it has incredible wonders.

Yeah, the bible says pretty much the same thing. Every knee shall bow, and ever tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is lord. Even you, Mystic, so you'd better get to converting. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see who is right in the end.

The Quran makes no direct speech about the Mahdi, yet he is the center of conversation of most the bigger Surahs of Quran. It proves the Mahdi through insights and reflections that make you perceive the plan of God, and why Prophethood was sealed, and what the world must come to accept.

If he explicitly said without proofs and insights, we would become blindly dogmatic about it. And where the Quran talks much but is silent, the Ahlulbayt (as) speak loudly, and where they are silent and subtle, the Quran speaks loudly.

They go together.

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Who gets to determine what is bad?

Good point. But there are some obvious good or bad. You know, don't kill people to mention a few. But this religion would be self evident reasons for what is evil or good. Like i would say cannibalism is evil. Its trial and error form of struggle between right and wrong, something is just plain obvious more or less. Though this is a good question, but thats why we have history to learn as humans that humans have flaws, we are born the way we are but there are flaws more or less.

Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

Science can be considered made up too, but still its a made up tool to prove our physical existance because it explains our reality we live on based upon knowledge of what we can get from the world we live in. Just like philosophy is a tool people use to explain our purpose. Religion is philosophy that became dogmatic because they thought consequences had to exist for your actions. But that doesn't mean their truth is the real truth

Naturally all religions but one would be false. And that one may be apparent or hidden today. Naturally the approach of all false religions are wrong.

It's better to search out guidance of God because at the end,  he will know how to get us out of the mess of our falsehood and error in thoughts.

[purplepurpose]

Kaloomi, without "stick"/hell nobody will spend time on fancy things like religion.

[Chad32]

Kaloomi, without "stick"/hell nobody will spend time on fancy things like religion.

Certainly no one who already has their life together already. Why change, when everything's going swimmingly? That's why most conversion stories are basically "My life sucked before I found Jesus", or whatever other deity they worship now.

[RoadRunner79]

We’re not atheists... we can just make up the narrative as we go along!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Wanting to create a new religion is sort of like thinking to yourself, 'You know, the current raft of diseases in the world all have some kind of unsatisfying symptoms.  I sure wish someone would come up with a new debilitating disease to fill the void.'

Boru

Exactly, better to submit to God's proofs and insights, and download knowledge from his book by reflecting over the Quran a long side seeking answers from the family of the reminder.

Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

You miss my point - whatever religion you pick, you're still diseased.  Islam, Wicca, Christianity, Judaism, The One True Church Of Onkmundu The Flatulent - all diseases of the mind.

Boru

[Mystic]

Exactly, better to submit to God's proofs and insights, and download knowledge from his book by reflecting over the Quran a long side seeking answers from the family of the reminder.

Not make up shit, we have enough of that.

You miss my point - whatever religion you pick, you're still diseased.  Islam, Wicca, Christianity, Judaism, The One True Church Of Onkmundu The Flatulent - all diseases of the mind.

Boru

This is true, as they are. But God knows how to make a perfect religion, and your point is assuming he doesn't exist, and hence you think he hasn't provided guidance and a solution to solve the conflict of religions.

[Joods]

Given that I don't have a god, I don't have to choose between heaven and hell. As for paradise - that is what you make of it.  There is no afterlife. None has ever been proven.

You don't believe in supernatural magical type god, but you value somethings, and god is always been a battle of terminology of the height and peak of value, polytheists despite claiming they believed Creator was higher, use the word for lesser beings because they want to equate and down play the unique position of God as far as valuing goes and loving goes and not to take the notion that we value ourselves as much or more then God seriously.

Whatever is at the peak at the value, and all things close to that, is your god(s).

It never meant what you say it meant, or else, people would not have attributed born creatures the position of divinity.

What is your God? You see, you feel ashamed already with the notion you have a god other then the Absolute being. That is because your nature is upon inclining to the oneness of God.

Just because something has worth or value does not make it a god. No matter how you try to spin that, there is no exclusivity between value, worth and any god.

I value my children. Are they gods? Nope. Nice try tho, but you'll score no points for moving your goal posts to fit your narrative.

I do not subscribe to a god or gods. It really is that simple. But thanks for attempting to tell me how I think.

[Mystic]

You don't believe in supernatural magical type god, but you value somethings, and god is always been a battle of terminology of the height and peak of value, polytheists despite claiming they believed Creator was higher, use the word for lesser beings because they want to equate and down play the unique position of God as far as valuing goes and loving goes and not to take the notion that we value ourselves as much or more then God seriously.

Whatever is at the peak at the value, and all things close to that, is your god(s).

It never meant what you say it meant, or else, people would not have attributed born creatures the position of divinity.

What is your God? You see, you feel ashamed already with the notion you have a god other then the Absolute being. That is because your nature is upon inclining to the oneness of God.

Just because something has worth or value does not make it a god. No matter how you try to spin that,  there is no exclusivity between value, worth and any god.

I value my children. Are they gods? Nope. Nice try tho, but you'll score no points for moving your goal posts to fit your narrative.

I do not subscribe to a god or gods.  It really is that simple. But thanks for attempting to tell me how I think.

If you value your children more then anything else, yes they are gods to you.  You choose what to value most (god) but I recognize the only being that ought to valued to a degree by us that everything pales in comparison.