(July 3, 2018 at 3:57 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(May 27, 2018 at 10:35 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: What is the source of your problems with Islam?

Let's be honest: worldwide there are so many views that make Islam stand back in the queue of strong sentences.

Let's take the Christian Bible: the old testament advocates pedophilia, slavery, and mass murder.
The Jewish Talmud is even more violent, with sentences that include the pouring of molten lead into the mouth of the condemned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Judaism

And execution for grand treason for deserters of the army in secular countries right before 80 years only.

Don't you think that it's quite hypocritical to leave all of that aside, ignore it, and cherry pick the Quran only?
What is the source of your problems with Islam? This is a real question, not sarcastic.

-Is it the brown skin of Arabs?
-Is it the heritage of Arabs?
-Is it xenophobia + Islamophobia?

Because I truly fail to see why the media -and so many biased people- bash Islam for the cultural actions of Middle Eastern people, and ignore in a very rude way the Jewish & Christian insane texts which live up to be worthy of a doctrine for a torture chamber.

Are you speaking to people on this forum? I don't think any of them are ignoring the shit in the Bible. There are threads about it almost everyday.

What a stupid argument. It's like acknoweding Islam sucks goat balls but saying that Christianity and Judaism do too. Then being lazy and stupid by saying "oh it must be racism"

We're atheist. We know Christianity and Judaism sucks. Islam sucks too.

The wildcard that is Islamophobia and anti-Islam is thrown by a very wide spectrum of people from different allegiances, ignoring the atrocities and brutalities seen in other places -like the long-lasting Mexican drug war-.

ISIS jihadists look like children compared to narcos and Cartels. But I never heard a fuss about cartels, but I always hear a stereotype who curse Muslims for their "brutality". notice that drug lords also fight internationally, from a long, long time. Blow up markets too. Beheading is their favorite execution method.

Everybody can be an Islamophobe: including many Muslims. There is a wide spectrum of self-hating Muslims who are more xenophobic than non-Muslim xenophobes.

So yes; there are sane people who desterbute their hate evenly, but there is the type who thinks and believes Islam is the source of all evil in this age, forgetting -in a hypocrite way- what happens elsewhere in the world.

That was the point of the OP; it was obvious indeed if you read the OP.

Atlas, but the problem is terrorists who testify to Mohammad with their mouths (I don't believe they have anything to do with the true him with their hearts) use an interpretation of Islam that is distorted and in essence their religion relies on a distorting the Quran and using what is falsely attributed to Mohammad in the Sunnah to justify their evils. Rather then resorting to reason which Quran and Sunnah came to facilitate, they worship their scholars, despite the warnings of Quran.

The religion they follow in the outward world is known as Islam for centuries, and the brutality and slavery of the Muslim rulers is true part of history. The solution "if you dispute in a thing refer to God and the Messenger" starts with recognizing we worship the Taghut if we don't do that, and secondly, to realize the biggest dispute lies in two things in 4:59, who possesses authority in the religion and how to refer to Quran and Sunnah, which is an irony, but the verse self-protects itself in that, we must refer to Quran and Sunnah to justify both, and what the truth of both is and not by conjecture or ignorant desires.

(July 4, 2018 at 10:06 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Atlas, but the problem is terrorists who testify to Mohammad with their mouths (I don't believe they have anything to do with the true him with their hearts) use an interpretation of Islam that is distorted and in essence their religion relies on a distorting the Quran and using what is falsely attributed to Mohammad in the Sunnah to justify their evils.  Rather then resorting to reason which Quran and Sunnah came to facilitate, they worship their scholars, despite the warnings of Quran.

The religion they follow in the outward world is known as Islam for centuries, and the brutality and slavery of the Muslim rulers is true part of history.  The solution "if you dispute in a thing refer to God and the Messenger" starts with recognizing we worship the Taghut if we don't do that, and secondly, to realize the biggest dispute lies in two things in 4:59, who possesses authority in the religion and how to refer to Quran and Sunnah, which is an irony, but the verse self-protects itself in that, we must refer to Quran and Sunnah to justify both, and what the truth of both is and not by conjecture or ignorant desires.

"Islamic terrorism" did not become a thing until 2001's 9/11 attacks. Before the "war on terror" campaign, during the "happy times" when Muslim Arabs -like Doody Fayed- used to shag blonde British princesses. I shouldn't mention that following 9/11, everything was flipped upside down.

'The concept of Islamic terrorism' is a cheap fuel for the propaganda that gave the "war on terror" lie a soul. We know that there are bad Muslims -and the first are Iranian government and its Shiite allies in the Middle East-, but that is a mere fraction of the brutality witnessed in other parts of the world.

(July 4, 2018 at 11:05 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 10:06 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Atlas, but the problem is terrorists who testify to Mohammad with their mouths (I don't believe they have anything to do with the true him with their hearts) use an interpretation of Islam that is distorted and in essence their religion relies on a distorting the Quran and using what is falsely attributed to Mohammad in the Sunnah to justify their evils.  Rather then resorting to reason which Quran and Sunnah came to facilitate, they worship their scholars, despite the warnings of Quran.

The religion they follow in the outward world is known as Islam for centuries, and the brutality and slavery of the Muslim rulers is true part of history.  The solution "if you dispute in a thing refer to God and the Messenger" starts with recognizing we worship the Taghut if we don't do that, and secondly, to realize the biggest dispute lies in two things in 4:59, who possesses authority in the religion and how to refer to Quran and Sunnah, which is an irony, but the verse self-protects itself in that, we must refer to Quran and Sunnah to justify both, and what the truth of both is and not by conjecture or ignorant desires.

"Islamic terrorism" did not become a thing until 2001's 9/11 attacks. Before the "war on terror" campaign, during the "happy times" when Muslim Arabs -like Doody Fayed- used to shag blonde British princesses. I shouldn't mention that following 9/11, everything was flipped upside down.

'The concept of Islamic terrorism' is a cheap fuel for the propaganda that gave the "war on terror" lie a soul. We know that there are bad Muslims -and the first are Iranian government and its Shiite allies in the Middle East-, but that is a mere fraction of the brutality witnessed in other parts of the world.

The fact Muslims oppressed others and their own people as well, and let deceivers put seeds of evil that would be intolerable to almost all humans and make Islam look evil as it is evil as it is presented, is all facts, we can't hide away from.

Whether people were aware of all these evil teachings or not, these extreme evil teachings, from oppressing women type teachings to killing humans and limiting freedom of religion and being hypocritical in that regard and in many regards in teachings,  doesn't do the way with the seeds of evil lying in wait.

For example, you know Quran doesn't advocate slavery and right hand possess she be translated to those who our oaths have authority over,  which related to people taking refuge, and many Quranists have properly proven this, yet we rather advocate something dark as slavery to be taught by Islam to stick to our idols interpretations of Quran and Sunnah.

(July 4, 2018 at 11:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 11:05 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: "Islamic terrorism" did not become a thing until 2001's 9/11 attacks. Before the "war on terror" campaign, during the "happy times" when Muslim Arabs -like Doody Fayed- used to shag blonde British princesses. I shouldn't mention that following 9/11, everything was flipped upside down.

'The concept of Islamic terrorism' is a cheap fuel for the propaganda that gave the "war on terror" lie a soul. We know that there are bad Muslims -and the first are Iranian government and its Shiite allies in the Middle East-, but that is a mere fraction of the brutality witnessed in other parts of the world.

The fact Muslims oppressed others and their own people as well, and let deceivers put seeds of evil that would be intolerable to almost all humans and make Islam look evil as it is evil as it is presented, is all facts, we can't hide away from.

Whether people were aware of all these evil teachings or not, these extreme evil teachings, from oppressing women type teachings to killing humans and limiting freedom of religion and being hypocritical in that regard and in many regards in teachings,  doesn't do the way with the seeds of evil lying in wait.

For example, you know Quran doesn't advocate slavery and right hand possess she be translated to those who our oaths have authority over,  which related to people taking refuge, and many Quranists have properly proven this, yet we rather advocate something dark as slavery to be taught by Islam to stick to our idols interpretations of Quran and Sunnah.

A very unique video can be seen below for 'another day in Mexico':

Warning: don't open unless you are +18

Give this video to your imam; and tell him that the world is a big place.

Our topic is not "slavery in the Quran". As for atrocities, other factions around the world proved -and the video above proves so- to be more brutal than Muslims. But instead of fighting them like they fight ISIS, they made them hollywood stars.

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Just to add for the readers who believe in the same broken record of "but Muslims are savages !!", humans -from all races and cultures- are involved in terrible crimes, ranging from the practicing of the criminal acts up until keeping silent in front of the evils of evil people.

You -MK- are involved too much in the war on terror propaganda, you -like Trump- forgot that Narcos and Cartels are skinning people alive right outside the borders. Instead of fighting them, they are fighting "Hamza" and his Iraqi family 2304994849 miles away from the real danger.

A question I should ask: who invented the iron maiden?
Who's flooding America with drugs? Khalid?

(July 4, 2018 at 12:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: A question I should ask: who invented the iron maiden?

 Museum curators.

Quote:Who's flooding America with drugs? Khalid?

Americans.

Atlas, the Quran says "Do you command people to good and forget yourselves, do you not use your minds?", if Muslims want people to submit to God, they ought to at least do what God emphasized in the Quran which they do not.