Steve hit the bottom and just kept going

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Of course it does not matter what gymnastics Steve ploys he's still a Bigot and his objections and beliefs are still bigoted,intolerant and regressive he can try a rationalize it till the cows come home .We have connected it as well as it can be connected his denial does not alter that .

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(July 25, 2018 at 10:12 am)robvalue Wrote: Let's face it, his kid would hide it from him. Imagine how much more damage that would do.

If GOD wants to tell us how to run our secular governments, I think he could manage to come tell us himself; without relying on millions of spokespersons, all with slightly different scripts. I mean, I'm sure I can find Christians who will tell me God wants gays to be allowed to marry now. And then there's other religions.

His kids would probably wind up dying of guilt

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(July 25, 2018 at 10:30 am)polymath257 Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 6:55 am)SteveII Wrote: And it is your opinion that marriage only means these things. My list is significantly longer. In addition, I have beliefs that we were made for a purpose. One of these purposes was to get married and experience this longer list. 

I really don't care what your *religious* beliefs are in this matter. The question is what the *secular* society should do.

Quote:There is no more fundamental institution than marriage to the development of all of civilization. You cannot find a comparison, let alone a comparison who's definition has changed. This line of argumentation is not just weak, it is just not valid. 

I disagree. Marriage is one of many institutions in our society that change over time as our society changes. It used to be that 'government' could only mean having one person at the top. It used to be that 'religion' was integrated into the governmental structure. Those have changed and the change is good.

Quote:The fact that my opinion is that the definition should not change CANNOT itself be deemed intolerant and so by definition, is not bigoted.

OK, if you're not a bigot, then you're just an asshole.

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(July 25, 2018 at 7:03 am)SteveII Wrote: It makes me look like a bigot because that has been drilled into your head that the two things are connected. It actually does not make me a bigot and you have failed over and over to make the logical connection. Definitionally, a difference of opinion does not = intolerance of an opinion.

If you take your arguments and translate them to a race-based situation, they would be labeled as bigoted immediately.

There is no difference here except in your imagination.
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I love how he's trying to frame this as a difference of opinion rather then him simply being a regressive bigot and us exposing him as such

(July 25, 2018 at 10:18 am)SteveII Wrote: I don't deny any group any rights.

Except for equal treatment under the law. Marriage is a legal institution, Steve. Denying gays marriage is to deny them equal treatment. Keep telling yourself that you're not a bigot. It won't change the facts, but I'm sure it will make you sleep better at night.

(July 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 10:18 am)SteveII Wrote: I don't deny any group any rights.

Except for equal treatment under the law. Marriage is a legal institution, Steve. Denying gays marriage is to deny them equal treatment. Keep telling yourself that you're not a bigot. It won't change the facts, but I'm sure it will make you sleep better at night.

And hence the married bachelor argument! Everyone must be treated equally right?

The married bachelor argument was refute dozen times now it sucked as a counter argument when you first pulled it out of your ass it sucks even harder now that it's been torn to pieces .Yet here you are waving it around like the piss has not been taken out of it .Your desperation is showing .

(July 25, 2018 at 11:55 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Except for equal treatment under the law. Marriage is a legal institution, Steve. Denying gays marriage is to deny them equal treatment. Keep telling yourself that you're not a bigot. It won't change the facts, but I'm sure it will make you sleep better at night.

And hence the married bachelor argument!  Everyone must be treated equally right?

I know you love to misrepresent this argument by conflating equal treatment under the law with treating everyone exactly the same. Too bad you refuse to understand how they are different. When marriage is no longer a legal institution, you assholes can tell whoever you like to fuck off.

(July 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 10:18 am)SteveII Wrote: I don't deny any group any rights.

Except for equal treatment under the law. Marriage is a legal institution, Steve. Denying gays marriage is to deny them equal treatment. Keep telling yourself that you're not a bigot. It won't change the facts, but I'm sure it will make you sleep better at night.

Wrong again. Marriage is not a legal institution--in any way. It is easy to see that out of the 10,000 years of existence, the government has imposed a few rules for like the last 5 minutes.

Steve channeling his denial and long dead points that have been shown false and foolish .

(July 25, 2018 at 12:15 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(July 25, 2018 at 11:49 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Except for equal treatment under the law. Marriage is a legal institution, Steve. Denying gays marriage is to deny them equal treatment. Keep telling yourself that you're not a bigot. It won't change the facts, but I'm sure it will make you sleep better at night.

Wrong again. Marriage is not a legal institution--in any way. It is easy to see that out of the 10,000 years of existence, the government has imposed a few rules for like the last 5 minutes.

(emphasis is mine)

Really? So, those document you have to get from the courthouse before you can get married are just for fun and not legally binding in any way? You can just skip that part if you want? I'd love to see the tax audit for the asshole who claims to be filing as married when he doesn't have the documentation to back it up. Marriage is a legal institution in this country, Steve, not a matter of opinion. It doesn't matter if it became one 10,000 years ago or yesterday. You don't get to just declare yourself married and get all the legal benefits, not even in common law marriage jurisdictions.

For fuck's sake, you'd think the chuckle-fuck arguing against changing the definition of marriage would actually understand what marriage is.

These guys have to be messing with us now. I can't believe what I'm reading anymore.

(July 25, 2018 at 12:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: These guys have to be messing with us now. I can't believe what I'm reading anymore.

It's reached optimal silliness