If I remember right, Huggy thinks that morality behaves like karma within this life.

So according to that, atheists should be receiving some sort of consequence within this life, for not loving God (on account of not believing it's real, for a start). I don't know what that consequence is. (Sure, in some parts of the world it can get you persecuted or even killed. Here in the UK it doesn't seem to do anything. Are thugs the ones that deal out this consequence?)

If God did decide what the rules or morality are, and he decided one of those rules was loving him "or else", that's some pretty desperate narcissism. I'd consider that poor behaviour for a flawed human, let alone a supposedly perfect super-being.

(August 23, 2018 at 2:08 am)robvalue Wrote: If I remember right, Huggy thinks that morality behaves like karma within this life.

Which means morals contain and energy and can be put to work if we harness them.

We need to find a way of distilling them out of thin air and bottling them on an industrial scale!

(August 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Are we just going to play dumb now? The fact that Jeffrey Dahmer  killed and ate people would be in direct violation of the whole "love thy neighbor" bit now wouldn't it?

He claimed he was a Christian.
Are you saying that people who do what you consider unchristian things aren't Christians.
That would not leave many Christians around now would it.


Heres a bunch of Christians for example.

Some of Europe is even more irrelegious than the UK so you'd expect whatever the consequences are to be very pronounced there. What are they?

(August 23, 2018 at 5:38 am)robvalue Wrote: Some of Europe is even more irrelegious than the UK so you'd expect whatever the consequences are to be very pronounced there. What are they?

And "religious fundamentalists" would be the nicest people if religion was nice.

(August 23, 2018 at 6:10 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(August 23, 2018 at 5:38 am)robvalue Wrote: Some of Europe is even more irrelegious than the UK so you'd expect whatever the consequences are to be very pronounced there. What are they?

And "religious fundamentalists" would be the nicest people if religion was nice.

If it were nice it wouldn’t have felt the need to turn itself into a religion.

(August 22, 2018 at 11:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote: When I don't supply quotes you guys think i'm misrepresenting, when I do supply quotes, I'm quote mining.

You kudosed the above post, as he himself claimed, he considers himself full of empathy, as most likely you yourself do.

Why should I take your claims seriously?

I don't recall ever accusing you of quote-mining from fellow forum members, but if it's an issue for you, try including the entire quote with some context. I doubt it's the mere act of quoting people that has earned you that accusation.

I seem to have gotten at least the average allotment of empathy. I kudo a lot of posts, including the posts of theists when I think they've made a good point. As a general observation, focusing on who kudos whom is rarely relevant to the topic at hand.

If Huggy74 doesn't take my claims seriously, I think that counts in favor of their credibility.

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(August 22, 2018 at 11:44 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 22, 2018 at 11:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: -and along comes the Huggster..to demonstrate that regardless of where theists or atheists get their moral schema or authority, he's not getting it from anywhere.  

Rejecting any compulsion to decency that comes from the secular end..and whatever message of decency may be in magic book.

*emphasis mine.*
speaking of decency...

(April 14, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That you're a complete idiot, lol.  

(April 15, 2017 at 5:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: There's no sword to stupid for Huggy to fall on, it seems.

(November 16, 2015 at 2:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: You're a fucking moron, Huggy, and just as I thought...full of shit.

(November 16, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Moron.

(November 16, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote: These fuckers just drop to their knees and put the holy host into their mouths regardless.  I hope it's greasy, and they choke on it.

lol.

If someone is impolite to poor Huggy, no matter the provocation, it proves they have no morality at all. Because that's what morality is to Huggy, apparently: being nice to Huggy.

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(August 22, 2018 at 11:51 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Christian moral code:

1 Love God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength
2 Love thy neighbour as thyself.


There is none other commandment greater than these. - Mark 12-31

Do you have a problem with the above?

From your posting behavior, it seems you do. Or is it because you hate yourself? At any rate, I've never seen a post by you that made me think: Boy, say what you want about Huggy; but it's clear that he loves us, just like he believes God wants him too.

You'd think that if he really believed in this stuff, he'd be nice to people here.

Anyhow, I've figured it out. Atheists must be more moral, with respect to looking after each other. This cancels out the immorality of not loving God. That's why irreligious countries end up with no penalty. Moral maths.

(August 22, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 22, 2018 at 11:59 am)Mathilda Wrote: Yes I was kind of surprised that it was back from 2013.

As Mister Agenda said, Huggy doesn't seem to understand the word 'most'.

Something that can't be quantified...

Certainly something that can't be countered with cherry-picked anecdotes. The mere fact that you need to go back years to find enough examples to make it look impressive supports MY point.

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(August 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 22, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Was he a priest who claims he was anointed by fucking god.... or are you making up your own rules again, Huggy?

My question was: "How do atheists define morality?"

Your answer was "Not fucking the altar boys."

So are you implying the 'buggery' of underage boys is only immoral if they are altar boys, or the offender is a priest?

I think he's implying that it's MORE immoral if they are altar boys and the offender is a priest. Harvey Milk is a statutory rapist who shouldn't have a statue and should have been brought to justice, but his relationship with a sixteen-year-old didn't involve any pretense of service to a benign deity.

(August 21, 2018 at 5:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

What is an athiest's moral authority? What puts them on the same moral page?

Compassion