OK, it's fair to post about a Republican's lies, but it's deflection to post about a Democrat. 

(September 14, 2018 at 7:23 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 13, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Aegon Wrote: I'm glad you posted this article. I learned some new stuff. But I think it's crucial to recognize that the two men are not equal in their lies or how their administration operated. Trump really is worse in that regard, it's important to acknowledge that. If you're going to be objective.

Do you objectively think that it's worse to call the media fake news than to actually use the law to intimidate them?

They're entirely different things. What Obama's administration did was severe government overreach and an uncomfortable lack of transparency. I support the media in that case.

What Trunp has done is completely eliminate "reality" and "facts." Theres no longer any standard of truth. He can say something blatantly false and people will believe it over what is true, because hes planted a distrust of news -- but not biased news media in general, just the ones he doesnt like. He's blurred the line between fact and fiction and now anyone with an opinion is right and everything else is fake news. He has completely warped the perception of truth. That. Is incredibly dangerous. Frightening. Actually.

(September 14, 2018 at 7:23 am)alpha male Wrote:

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(September 13, 2018 at 9:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What’s your point?

That Dems tell lies too,

Thanks for telling me something I already know.  Politicians lie.  I didn’t realize that was breaking news.  You understand it’s a big, fat strawman to assume every liberal on this forum is in love with Obama, yeah?

Quote:and there's a lot of hypocrisy on this forum.

Does that hurt your butt? 😏

(September 14, 2018 at 11:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Thanks for telling me something I already know.  Politicians lie.  I didn’t realize that was breaking news.

Yes, of course you know that, as Republican lies (whether actual or not) are exposed all the time here. Yet, you don't get snarky about those threads...

Quote:You understand it’s a big, fat strawman to assume every liberal on this forum is in love with Obama, yeah?

Seems that this thread shows otherwise. Weren't many liberals expressing disapproval of those lies.

Quote:Does that hurt your butt? 😏

Nope. It's fun to point it out occasionally and watch them take the bait and perform exactly as expected.

(September 14, 2018 at 11:29 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes, of course you know that, as Republican lies (whether actual or not) are exposed all the time here. Yet, you don't get snarky about those threads

Snarky?  I merely asked you what your point was.  Considering I don’t actually know what your stance is on ol’ Trumpster, I think it’s a fair question.

Quote:You understand it’s a big, fat strawman to assume every liberal on this forum is in love with Obama, yeah?

Quote:Seems that this thread shows otherwise. Weren't many liberals expressing disapproval of those lies.

I didn’t realize a handful of people represented the thoughts of every liberal on this forum.  In any case, I disapprove of the lies. *shrugs*

Quote:Does that hurt your butt? 😏

Quote:Nope. It's fun to point it out occasionally and watch them take the bait and perform exactly as expected.

Did you just admit to trolling?  If I liked you less, I might report this post.  😉

(September 14, 2018 at 10:51 am)alpha male Wrote: ]Why do you think lefties change the issue to the poster's motivation, rather than talking about the substance of the post, or at least ignoring it?

We're not interested in discussing substance with you because you're only here to stir shit and feed your "bad habit."

(September 14, 2018 at 11:55 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Snarky?

Yes, "Thanks for telling me something I already know" is clearly snarky.

Quote:I merely asked you what your point was.  Considering I don’t actually know what your stance is on ol’ Trumpster, I think it’s a fair question.

Not really, considering that the thread is about Obama, not ol' Trumpster.

Quote:I didn’t realize a handful of people represented the thoughts of every liberal on this forum.  In any case, I disapprove of the lies. *shrugs*

And that - or nothing - is a reasonable response. But that's not at all what I received.

(September 14, 2018 at 11:15 am)alpha male Wrote: OK, it's fair to post about a Republican's lies, but it's deflection to post about a Democrat. 

Falso equivication.  Even your original source didn't say O'bama lied, only that he tried to keep some information back from the public.  Depending on the nature of the information, that may or may not be a good thing.

But it could not be more obvious that O'bama has a high regard for knowing and speaking the truth.  While Trump always and only speaks what serves his ends.  For Trump facts and truth are irrelevant, pretty much as they are for you.  Where you have decided whatever serves God is truth enough, Trump has decided whatever serves his bottom line is truth.  No wonder your lot has thrown in so strongly with him.

(September 14, 2018 at 12:17 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes, "Thanks for telling me something I already know" is clearly snarky.

Asking you what your point is, was not snarky, which was my original reply to your thread.  I was snarky in reply to your whataboutism.

Quote:I merely asked you what your point was.  Considering I don’t actually know what your stance is on ol’ Trumpster, I think it’s a fair question.

Quote:Not really, considering that the thread is about Obama, not ol' Trumpster.

You don’t think your position on the current POTUS is relevant in a discussion you started about the lies politicians tell?  I guess you’re not actually interested in a discussion then.  But, you already admitted that in your last reply to me so...lol.

Quote:I didn’t realize a handful of people represented the thoughts of every liberal on this forum.  In any case, I disapprove of the lies. *shrugs*

Quote:And that - or nothing - is a reasonable response. But that's not at all what I received.

I don’t think there is any such thing as an ‘innocent lie’, and I don’t believe the end justifies the means in situations like this.  It’s always disappointing when one side stoops to the level of the other, and I don’t think, ‘for the greater good’ is a reasonable excuse or a moral justification.  Obviously, I can only speak for myself. I don’t think trolling people is good use of your time here, though.

(September 14, 2018 at 12:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Asking you what your point is, was not snarky, which was my original reply to your thread.  I was snarky in reply to your whataboutism.

So whataboutism is bad...

Quote:You don’t think your position on the current POTUS is relevant in a discussion you started about the lies politicians tell?

Unless you guys do it. Then it's relevant!