(September 15, 2018 at 11:37 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 15, 2018 at 10:28 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: ? when did eplipsy turn into "crazy" or -using your words-: "a mess up in the head"?
Aside from the ignorant remark; I take it to be a very strange desperate accusation.

Ancients knew epilepsy and civilizations like Greece even provided ways to control it:

https://www.medicaldaily.com/brain-activ...ow-doctors



So it's so sad for me to see a people who still use the "Mohammed was an epileptic" broken record in discussions. Admit that you have nothing to say against my argument and shut up, but the accusation -after being so hilarious- are turning into a very sad syndrome that you suffer from.

Epilepsy =/= messed up in the head, you're the only one messed up in the head here.

This is, of course, the problem with Internet message boards; context is often lost.  If you would have read my earlier posts in this thread, you would have read the following:

Quote:Mohamed with an epileptic child rapist with delusions of grandeur.

That is what I was referring to with respect to "messed up in the head".

I am not going to get into a discussion with you over the treatment of epilepsy in the ancient World; as always, good information can be found here:

Quote:The ancient Greeks had contradictory views of the disease. They thought of epilepsy as a form of spiritual possession, but also associated the condition with genius and the divine. One of the names they gave to it was the sacred disease (ἠ ἱερὰ νόσος).[22][137] Epilepsy appears within Greek mythology: it is associated with the Moon goddesses Selene and Artemis, who afflicted those who upset them. The Greeks thought that important figures such as Julius Caesar and Hercules had the disease.[22] The notable exception to this divine and spiritual view was that of the school of Hippocrates. In the fifth century BC, Hippocrates rejected the idea that the disease was caused by spirits. In his landmark work On the Sacred Disease, he proposed that epilepsy was not divine in origin and instead was a medically treatable problem originating in the brain.[22][134] He accused those of attributing a sacred cause to the disease of spreading ignorance through a belief in superstitious magic.[22] Hippocrates proposed that heredity was important as a cause, described worse outcomes if the disease presents at an early age, and made note of the physical characteristics as well as the social shame associated with it.[22] Instead of referring to it as the sacred disease, he used the term great disease, giving rise to the modern term grand mal, used for tonic–clonic seizures.[22] Despite his work detailing the physical origins of the disease, his view was not accepted at the time.[134] Evil spirits continued to be blamed until at least the 17th century.[134]

Wikipedia -- Epilepsy: History

(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The view of Hippocrates shows that there were opinions other than spirit haunting circulating. Moreover, the charges against Mohammed by his criticizers incliude:
1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist

The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.

(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist

The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.

(September 16, 2018 at 7:54 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The view of Hippocrates shows that there were opinions other than spirit haunting circulating. Moreover, the charges against Mohammed by his criticizers incliude:
1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist

The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.

Twice nothing is still nothing.  Or, for that matter, a billion.

I see Mohamed as being on par with Attila the Hun.  Yes, he was famous, but for all the wrong reasons, some of which you list above.  General George Sherman was a great Union general, but that does not change the fact that he was also a (unprosecuted) war criminal.

Quote:One of the constitution's more interesting aspects was the inclusion of the Jewish tribes in the ummah because although the Jewish tribes were "one community with the believers", they also "have their religion and the Muslims have theirs".[18]
L. Ali Khan says that it was a social contract derived from a treaty and not from any fictional state of nature or from behind the Rawlsian veil of ignorance. It was built upon the concept of one community of diverse tribes living under the sovereignty of one God.[19]
It also instituted peaceful methods of dispute resolution among diverse groups living as one people but without assimilating into one religion, language or culture.[20] Welch in Encyclopedia of Islam states: "The constitution reveals Muhammad's great diplomatic skills, for it allows the ideal that he cherished of an ummah (community) based clearly on a religious outlook to sink temporarily into the background and is shaped essentially by practical considerations."[21]
Tom Holland writes, "The Constitution of Medina is accepted by even the most suspicious of scholars as deriving from the time of Muhammad. Here in these precious documents, it is possible to glimpse the authentic beginnings of a movement that would succeed, in barely two decades, in prostrating both the Roman and the Persian Empires".[22]

(September 16, 2018 at 12:27 pm)SaStrike Wrote: This might work OP. Since logic hardly ever works on theists, might as well try nonsense and see if it ends discussions.

(September 16, 2018 at 12:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 2:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-insane
2-liar
3-magician
4-warlord
5-epiliptical
6-child rapist

The list above is more of a stream of insults by a mob if you ask me..not an authentic conclusion from the reading of history.
Eventually this man was the starting point of a religion that has more than 1 billion followers, and they're increasing day by day.

All pretty common for a godman.

2/4/6 are what an "authentic" conclusion from the reading of "history" would state as facts on the ground.  It's not as if magic book denies any of those articles.  It just contends that he was the right kind of liar, warlord, and child rapist.  You know..the godly kind.

(September 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Who said anything about life? 

The story of the godman in magic book is precisely that simple.  He was a liar and a warlord who engaged in a campaign of aggressive military expansion, soaking loot up to and including a child bride among his collection of human chattel.  

None of this is particularly remarkable for a man in his position at the time.  What is remarkable, however, is your need, over a thousand years later...and even though you know better than Big Mo ever did....to excuse his actions as anything other than what they were.

Quote:Christian Bible: Old Testament

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

(September 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Who said anything about life? 

The story of the godman in magic book is precisely that simple.  He was a liar and a warlord who engaged in a campaign of aggressive military expansion, soaking loot up to and including a child bride among his collection of human chattel.  

None of this is particularly remarkable for a man in his position at the time.  What is remarkable, however, is your need, over a thousand years later...and even though you know better than Big Mo ever did....to excuse his actions as anything other than what they were.

I want a verse from the Quran that explicitly calls for child marriage or calls for pedophilia. I want it explicit like the biblical verse that says that the act was a right of the victorious Israelites:

Quote:? any answer ?

I asked you this question in March 20, 2018 , today is September 16, 2018; and still you couldn't provide to me a Quranic verse that says the same sick thing.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-53995.html

Marrying children is only a belief you share with some Sunni & Shiite Muslims who use the Hadith to justify such act. The Quran is innocent from all your accusations; actually. Without the Hadith, you'll have nothing to criticize Islam with.


Don't you notice that you're confusing the Quran with the Christian bible?

(September 16, 2018 at 2:24 pm)robvalue Wrote: I would only ever go to countries which are secular in nature, and as such I'm free to end any religious discussion by walking off and returning to reality. I speak up against the irrationality, irrelevance and potential harm of all of them, because they are essentially all the same from my perspective. They try to claim knowledge of things for which there is no demonstrable basis.

(September 16, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I want a verse from the Quran that explicitly calls for child marriage or calls for pedophilia. I want it explicit like the biblical verse that says that the act was a right of the victorious Israelites:

You want many things, but your desires do not have the ability to alter the facts of the matter.  Among your prophets human possessions was a child bride. 

Quote:

Quote: Wrote:? any answer ?

I asked you this question in March 20, 2018 , today is September 16, 2018; and still you couldn't provide to me a Quranic verse that says the same sick thing.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-53995.html

Marrying children is only a belief you share with some Sunni & Shiite Muslims who use the Hadith to justify such act. The Quran is innocent from all your accusations; actually. Without the Hadith, you'll have nothing to criticize Islam with.


Don't you notice that you're confusing the Quran with the Christian bible?

Don't you notice that no amount of other religions being horrible will change that fact that Mo was a lair, warlord, slaver and pedo?

Bitching about other peoples magic books..to me.... has to be one of the silliest things you could do on a long list of silly things. That much has been clear since the OP, at least (if not since the moment you joined)..don't you think?