(September 16, 2018 at 11:19 am)Aroura Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 11:18 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Capn

Aroura’s reaction was exactly the one Alpha was looking for.  He admitted to trolling in his own thread, lol.

It's true, I'm really sorry for feeding the troll.  Don't worry, it won't happen again.

Not your fault at all.  There’s nothing to apologize for.  You aren’t responsible for the people who come here for no other reason than to antagonize others.  He’s an ass.

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(September 16, 2018 at 11:20 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 11:18 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Capn

Aroura’s reaction was exactly the one Alpha was looking for.  He admitted to trolling in his own thread, lol.

How is it trolling though? I mean the article seems pretty tame. It's not calling him a Kenyan Mulsim or anything. If this trolls someone, they are way too easily trolled.

Well, he as much as admitted to it:

Quote:It's fun to point it out occasionally and watch them take the bait and perform exactly as expected.

(September 16, 2018 at 11:19 am)Aroura Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 11:18 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Capn

Aroura’s reaction was exactly the one Alpha was looking for.  He admitted to trolling in his own thread, lol.

It's true, I'm really sorry for feeding the troll.  Don't worry, it won't happen again.

You posted your honest reaction. No need to apologize for that.

ETA: I've previously noticed the same post by alpha male that LfC pointed out above and I've proceeded accordingly. I don't mind hearing opposing viewpoints here. As long as he's prepared for a takedown of his points, come at me. *shrug*

-Teresa

(September 16, 2018 at 12:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 16, 2018 at 11:19 am)Aroura Wrote: It's true, I'm really sorry for feeding the troll.  Don't worry, it won't happen again.

Not your fault at all.  There’s nothing to apologize for.  You aren’t responsible for the people who come here for no other reason than to antagonize others.  He’s an ass.

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(September 16, 2018 at 11:20 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: How is it trolling though? I mean the article seems pretty tame. It's not calling him a Kenyan Mulsim or anything. If this trolls someone, they are way too easily trolled.

Well, he as much as admitted to it:

Quote:It's fun to point it out occasionally and watch them take the bait and perform exactly as expected.

Someone else here trolled in another thread. He got banned. 

IJS.

(September 14, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:Yep, I'm in that basket of deplorables.  

Good then we don't have to take you seriously.That makes things easy.

I quit taking him seriously a long time ago.

(September 16, 2018 at 11:09 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Good then we don't have to take you seriously.That makes things easy.

I quit taking him seriously a long time ago.

Fair enough

(September 14, 2018 at 3:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Lol, I just got done acknowledging your OP, and that Obama being dishonest is wrong, AND that people should be prepared to discuss both sides in order to have productive dialogue, and you got me ‘deflecting’ from that?  Now you’re just being dishonest for the sake of arguing.

No, I'm saying you're deflecting, or whatabouting, or whatever you want to call it, for trying to change the subject to Trump.

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(September 15, 2018 at 12:05 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Gee, Alpha, you didn't say anything about Jimmy Carter in your post. Why does he get off so easy?

Er, because he's not out campaigning like Obama is.

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(September 14, 2018 at 6:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I think it's fine to talk about Obama's inaccuracies as long as he's seen fit to insert himself into the race.  I just question the validity of some of the AP article claims.  Still, if Obama's nose is growing, and he's actively involved in politics, I see nothing wrong with sharing it and discussing it.  Though additionally, there is a question of perspective given both that politicians are known to stumble when it comes to the truth, and Obama apparently isn't immune, as well as acknowledging that this is small potatoes compared to the number of lies and whoppers for which our Liar In Chief has been responsible.  If Trump could be restrained to Obama levels, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion, or at least, it would be somewhat different than it is.  The failure of both Trump and conservatives as a whole has inflated the issue in a way that it might not have otherwise been, and made the gaffs of Obama more salient.

Where's everyone jumping in with  tu quoque/whatabout charges?

Same with correlations. Lefties use them all the time, and  no one bats an eye. Conservative uses one, and 8 people howl about causation.

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(September 16, 2018 at 11:18 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Capn

Aroura’s reaction was exactly the one Alpha was looking for.  He admitted to trolling in his own thread, lol.

It was the reaction I was expecting. I would much prefer rational discussion. The left just doesn't have much of that these days.

(September 17, 2018 at 7:50 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 6:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I think it's fine to talk about Obama's inaccuracies as long as he's seen fit to insert himself into the race.  I just question the validity of some of the AP article claims.  Still, if Obama's nose is growing, and he's actively involved in politics, I see nothing wrong with sharing it and discussing it.  Though additionally, there is a question of perspective given both that politicians are known to stumble when it comes to the truth, and Obama apparently isn't immune, as well as acknowledging that this is small potatoes compared to the number of lies and whoppers for which our Liar In Chief has been responsible.  If Trump could be restrained to Obama levels, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion, or at least, it would be somewhat different than it is.  The failure of both Trump and conservatives as a whole has inflated the issue in a way that it might not have otherwise been, and made the gaffs of Obama more salient.

Where's everyone jumping in with  tu quoque/whatabout charges?

Same with correlations. Lefties use them all the time, and  no one bats an eye. Conservative uses one, and 8 people howl about causation.

Did anyone besides me challenge you on the facts? If not, it's an appeal to hypocrisy, but not a fallacy. It's just a condemnation of your supporting Trump and pointing out Obama's small change while Trump repeatedly trammels the truth. And you ignored my further point about why the context of Trump's lies is significant. Your comments in this thread lend credence to the suggestion that the thread itself was a setup for a tu quoque aimed at leftists and leftism. As to why people are charging you with hypocrisy, perhaps it's simply that they don't trust you (for some reason).

I don't know what you're talking about with regard to correlations. Perhaps if you gave an example of what you're talking about. I didn't read a lot of the comments in this thread particularly closely, as there was quite a bit of whataboutism, but I don't recall anything having to do with correlation.

(September 17, 2018 at 7:50 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 3:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Lol, I just got done acknowledging your OP, and that Obama being dishonest is wrong, AND that people should be prepared to discuss both sides in order to have productive dialogue, and you got me ‘deflecting’ from that?  Now you’re just being dishonest for the sake of arguing.

No, I'm saying you're deflecting, or whatabouting, or whatever you want to call it, for trying to change the subject to Trump.

I’m not trying to change the subject to Trump.  I’m not sure what you would like to talk about with regard to Obama.  He lied. That sucks. I’m disappointed. I’ve stated as much. Where would you like the conversation to go from there?

(September 17, 2018 at 9:13 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not trying to change the subject to Trump.  I’m not sure what you would like to talk about with regard to Obama.  He lied. That sucks. I’m disappointed. I’ve stated as much. Where would you like the conversation to go from there?

Nowhere. If everyone agrees with the article, then that should have been that.

People are acting as if I try to defend Trump on demonstrable lies, but I don't. I let such threads go.

(September 17, 2018 at 9:16 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 17, 2018 at 9:13 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not trying to change the subject to Trump.  I’m not sure what you would like to talk about with regard to Obama.  He lied. That sucks. I’m disappointed. I’ve stated as much. Where would you like the conversation to go from there?

Nowhere. If everyone agrees with the article, then that should have been that.

People are acting as if I try to defend Trump on demonstrable lies, but I don't. I let such threads go.

But you didn't respond to any complaints about the accuracy of the article, only to seeming whataboutism. As far as I could see, you had no interest in discussing the article, and instead focused on whataboutism, butthurt, liberal tears, and distorting what LFC said.