1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

Incorrect.

1. The designer appears to be incompetent.

2. Very vague concept.

3. Because that's the way we evolved.

(September 25, 2018 at 1:46 am)Kit Wrote: Incorrect.

You believe in God for the sake of yourself, not for the sake of him

Here's three actual points.

- you can't disprove Allah!

- put fingers in ears

- lalalalala i can't hear you lalalalala

I mean you won't win. But you'll probably end The discussion.

(September 25, 2018 at 1:48 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: 1.  The designer appears to be incompetent.

Life is perfectly obsolete: creating something as big as the universe but also as obsolete and fragile does indicate a divine creator behind it all.
We know the universe will be reduced to nothing. Try to reduce a fly to nothing.
But to start from nothing, and be reduced to nothing, for something as big as the universe??

Quote:2.  Very vague concept.

How? time is a main physical attribute used in almost all physical calculations, and even has its own dimension.

Quote:3.  Because that's the way we evolved.

Until this moment, consciousness was not defined. It's a mysterious human trait that evolution doesn't quite answer.
Some of our ancestors (chimps) remained unconscious. why did we grew brains?

Hello!

I'm new here but your post caught my eye.

(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

 1) ? What 'Design ? I do not see anything implicitly designed. I see no design in rocks. In stellar formations. 'Signs' ? What do you mean by 'Signs'? SO, you're saying that things such as 'Cancer' and 'Floods' are also designed?

 2) ? Huh ? The Sun does not give the Earth its 'Time'. It is the Earth's rotation which creates a 'Night' and 'Day cycle. If there us a 'Cosmic clock'... why do all the planets in this solar system rotate at different speeds? Why doesn't Venus rotate at the same speed or direction as Earth? They are very similarly sized stellar bodies after all.

3) As an emergent property of a nervous/nerological system I believe it 'Just is'. The same as can be seen in diefferent foms in other animals. Many other primates exhibit awarness of self. As do some birds. Heck, I believe there has even been tests done on certain moluscs which seem to show that 'They' have a sense of 'Self.

So... Nothing 'Unique' or 'Special' about pretty much everything you've postulated. :/

Cheers

(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

At no prior moment during your entire long and lamentable effort to assert your dilusional self importance to your betters here have you even exhibited the slightest hint of being capable of meaningful discourse. This is why discussions with you stops at your opening your mouth.

(September 25, 2018 at 1:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Life is perfectly obsolete: creating something as big as the universe but also as obsolete and fragile does indicate a divine creator behind it all.
We know the universe will be reduced to nothing. Try to reduce a fly to nothing.
But to start from nothing, and be reduced to nothing, for something as big as the universe??


How? time is a main physical attribute used in almost all physical calculations, and even has its own dimension.


Until this moment, consciousness was not defined. It's a mysterious human trait that evolution doesn't quite answer.
Some of our ancestors (chimps) remained unconscious. why did we grew brains?

1.  It's because of entropy.

2. Time is not physical. It is a human construct, just like math is.

3.  How is a chimp or any other living thing with a brain not conscious?  Have you ever seen a cat or a dog?

Norm

(September 25, 2018 at 1:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

1. "The universe seems". It's not a fact. Designer could be a Hot Goddess who give her daughters to the best of humanity as a reward and the rest of the people get not so hot daughters of the Goddess. Anyway, Prase the Goddess.

2. Praise the Goddess.

3. Praise the Goddess. You ask me how I know? I say, I just believe and so should you.